WHAT IS THIS EPISODE ABOUT?
In this episode, I interview Amy Curran, the CEO of 2 Empower You, an NLP coaching program for female entrepreneurs and others. Amy is also a trainer in Hypnosis, Creating Your Future Coaching Techniques, and Time Line Therapy.
Have you ever wondered what NLP actually is?
WHY SHOULD I LISTEN?
If you are anything like me, NLP sounds like a bunch of black magic. Now I am not saying it is bad, in fact, I think that it probably is a really good thing. But I just didn’t know what it was, or how it worked.
Amy Curran comes on to take us through what NLP is, and actionable steps you can do to use it in your life.
Here are the key topics discussed in this episode:
- Amy’s background and how she got into NLP (04:55)
- Constantly living in a state of fear and (09:30)
- The different ways of doing NLP: Hypnosis (13:20)
- We are a holographic storage unit of all of our experiences (16:56)
- Everyone is doing NLP all the time (25:40)
- NLP done right changes a person’s behavior (30:15)
- Our external reality reflects back to us what is going on on the inside (39:44)
- Practical things you can do to NLP/Hypnotize yourself (44:24)
- The existence of other dimensions and how they possibly influence us (49:33)
- Learning not to tie our value to time (53:48)
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September 20th, 2019
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Amy Curran: 00:00:00 What NLP is, and does, and I can do with it, is it takes a program, that is running under unconscious awareness, that may not be serving you. It allows me to bring it up to conscious awareness, change the code of the program, and then drop it back down into unconsciousness, so that the new habit, the new pattern, runs without you having to think about it.
Intro: 00:00:30 You are now entering a new paradigm. So, here’s my issue. I wanted to find the answers to life’s biggest questions. Things like, how do I become happy and live with purpose? How do I make more money doing what I love, and what does it mean to be truly successful in all areas of life? My name is Josh Forti, @JoshForti on Instagram, and I ask life’s biggest questions and share the answers with you. My goal is to help you find purpose, happiness, and open your mind to new realms of possibility by helping you think differently about everything you do, know, and understand. On this podcast, we think different, we dream bigger, and we live in a world without limits. This is a new paradigm. Welcome to The Think Different Theory.
Josh Forti: 00:01:18 What’s up guys. Welcome back to another episode of The Think Different Theory. My name is Josh Forti, and oh boy, I’m super excited for today’s interview guys, and today’s guest that we have on here. You guys know, pretty much the reason The Think Different Theory exists, is because of my journey through studying the mind, and studying mindset, and kind of my journey that I’ve gone down in my, you know, success depression, and when I hit rock bottom, and learning all about that. And so, our next guest today is actually, or she actually was introduced to me through Immy, who we’ve had on the program. And Immy of course is phenomenal. He’s one of the most brilliant marketing or business people that I’ve ever met, and he’s just very, very well connected. And so, he told me about Amy, who is our next guest about to come on here. And I was like, ”Oh my gosh. Mindset, NLP hypnotist. This is amazing.” And so I’m… I’m very, very excited about this. You guys know how much I love, like psycho-cybernetics, and the power of habits, and things like that. And, one of the areas of life or mindset that I have not really had the chance to dive down into yet is NLP, and the… the power of NLP. And really, I think there’s a lot of misconceptions around what NLP is, and what it does, and it’s like, you know, people think that NLP and hypnotism is like this black magic snake oil stuff, and I don’t quite think that’s what it is. So I’m very, very excited to bring on our next guest. She is not only an NLP expert and a hypnotist, but she is also a year into getting her… I’m sorry, what was it? Grandmasters program?
Amy Curran: 00:02:45 Master Trainer.
Josh Forti: 00:02:46 Master Trainers Program. And so, very, very, excited to have her on. Amy Curren, thank you so much for taking the time to come on The Think Different Theory.
Amy Curran: 00:02:54 Alright, thanks for having me.
Josh Forti: 00:02:56 I’m super excited.
Amy Curran: 00:02:58 I am going to make NLP so easy for people to understand because you said it right. People just like, they don’t even know what it is. And there’s actually a running joke in the industry that an NLP trainer can’t really explain what it is. Like if you were to ask one what it is, they kind of like choke up. So what NLP is, and does, and that I can do with it, is it takes a program that is running, under unconscious awareness, that may not be serving you. It allows me to bring it up to conscious awareness, change the code of the program, and then drop it back down into unconsciousness, so that the new habit, the new pattern runs without you having to think about it.
Josh Forti: 00:03:47 That’s amazing. And, it was interesting that you say this, and I can’t wait to kind of get down into this further, because, one of the things that I was really big on, especially in the last like 18 months or so, I wrote a playbook. It’s about 65 pages long or so, about kind of my journey through, you know, studying the mind and one of the biggest aha moments that I had. And, like this eyeopening, like “Why don’t they teach you this in school” type of thing, was the fact that 90% of everything that you do by the age of 30, is subconscious. And, I was like, if 90% of the way I talk, think, act, believe, everything, I don’t even realize, that like I’m doing that. How the heck do I reprogram that? Like, how do the heck do I go, and actually like train my body, train my mind or my subconscious, to act in the way that I want it to act. And, I don’t think people really understand the power of the subconscious. Like, it’s literally you’re rewiring your programming. It’s like, by default it’s going to determine what it is that you’re going to do. So talk to me a little bit about like, before we dive too much into like Geeky mode that you and I are going to get into, talk to me a little bit about your background and like how you got into this stuff.
Amy Curran: 00:04:55 Oh my gosh. My backstory is like a trip because when people see me today, they look at me and they go, oh, I can’t imagine you like that.
Josh Forti: 00:05:05 Really?
Amy Curran: 00:05:06 Yeah, totally. It was about four years ago. I had a nasty case of PTSD. My father was a Vietnam veteran who survived the tennis senses. You know, when I was a child, there was a lot going on in my home and my mom was a raging alcoholic and I had been through therapy. I was on every single pill that was advertised on TV and [inaudible] everything I did to seek help, nothing worked. And, I had, I was listening to a veteran on a podcast overseas. This is why I love doing podcasts, right? It’s message out there. And the guys had said, well, I, I dealt with all of my PTSD using NLP. I was like, what is that? What is that? Yeah. And at the time my health was deteriorating, my marriage was falling apart. I mean, my whole life was just flying apart at the scenes because I had all of this trauma and all of this unhealed stuff going on and it, and I had to do something different.
Josh Forti: 00:06:14 Did you, did you know that you had PTSD? Like…
Amy Curran: 00:06:16 I did.
Josh Forti: 00:06:19 You did. Okay. So you are aware that a lot of stuff was going on and…
Amy Curran: 00:06:22 I was.
Josh Forti: 00:06:23 didn’t know how to fix it.
Amy Curran: 00:06:24 I did not know at any other alternative ways that would work and that would work fast. All I did know was when I was doing before was not working.
Josh Forti: 00:06:39 And, about how old were you at this time? You said you were married, so like when you first heard NLP or listening to this podcast, how old were you?
Amy Curran: 00:06:48 I am 48 now. So that was, I think I was 44.
Josh Forti: 00:06:56 So this was relatively new then. I mean like in the last four years. You’ve just seen this in crazy transformational.
Amy Curran: 00:07:04 Yeah. Huge,huge. Yeah.
Josh Forti: 00:07:06 So I think, uh, I’m big into human psychology and studying human psychology and how people work. And one of the people that I follow, you may or may not know him, is Tai Lopez, um, and you know, big time marketer or whatnot. But he was, he was interviewed by, um, Tom Bilyeu on impact theory. And,he said that one of the things that happens is about the time people reach your 25, 27 years old when their brain kind of gets fully developed and they Move into adulthood per say, that it becomes increasingly harder the older you get to make a change. And which is why that most change that is made in more adults comes out of a traumatic situation. Right. Um, you know, I recently about five months ago now lost my brother to a tragic helicopter crash, which I watched, you know, my parent’s life totally changed, you know, from that and so many things. And so a lot of that things happen but you know, with NLP from what it sounds like and with your journey, like you had a huge, massive transformation in your forties so it is possible. But my question is did that come from, I mean obviously I know trauma was the thing that ultimately like you were facing, but did you have a traumatic experience that changed it or was it truly just like NLP and learning about that and like how did the change ultimately come about?
Amy Curran: 00:08:24 Well, when I went to my NLP training, not only did I learn how to do an LP, uh, with other people, you also get worked on yourself. So yeah, as soon as I was done with my training, all of that, all of that fear was gone. And as soon as I walked out of the training and back into an airport, I knew it was gone because I had not experienced any fear. And it was, it was an overwhelming moment for me. It was, it was an adjustment for me to get used to because I didn’t know what it was like to be on this planet. Not Scared or freaked out. So when it was gone, it was gone. It was like, you’re kidding me. That’s all it took. It took like, it took 10 minutes to get rid of all that. The huff. You’re kidding. Yeah.
Josh Forti: 00:09:15 But like, okay. So talk to me a little bit more about that fear for those people that you know, maybe haven’t experienced that. Cause it sounds like yours is pretty traumatic. So when you say constantly living in a state of fear and like freaked out all the time, like where did that come from?
Amy Curran: 00:09:30 A childhood. From between the ages of zero and seven.
Josh Forti: 00:09:35 And what were you afraid of?
Amy Curran: 00:09:38 Everything. Everything. Like things would trigger me. I was afraid to leave the house. Um, just like very fearful, like something, something would happen.
Josh Forti: 00:09:52 Just like a constant state of it.
Amy Curran: 00:09:53 Yeah. My body would be constricted. Constructed.
Josh Forti: 00:09:59 Wow! So like you talked to me about this training then like how did you end up, like what made you decide I’m going to go learn NLP and did you go to like get NLP done to you or did you go to learn it? Like what was that process like?
Amy Curran: 00:10:17 Aye. Oh my gosh. The day, the day the decision was made to do it, I remember I almost didn’t do it. I walked downstairs, I looked at a website and I looked at all of the things that would be required to learn it, to go there and yes, daddy does all of this stuff. And I looked at it, I was like, oh. And I walked back up the stairs and I just looked around my living room and I don’t know if you can cuss on this podcast, but this is what I said. I looked around and I thought, if I don’t change this now, okay, my life is not going to work. My kid’s life is not going to work and I’m not gonna pass this stuff down. And so I said, fuck it, I’m doing it. I walked back down the stairs and I picked up the phone and that was it. I knew that once I picked up the phone I was going and I had no idea what was gonna happen.
Josh Forti: 00:11:15 And what was it that you were going to, is like a retreat or a tour? Like what was it?
Amy Curran: 00:11:19 It was an NLP training out in Las Vegas. It was, I was trained personally by Dr. Adriana James.
Josh Forti: 00:11:28 and by trained like you are trained to how to do NLP or they performed NLP on you. So like is that how that works? Like if I, let’s say I wanted to, I dunno, have that NLP done to me. Right? Like if, if I wanted like to help, if I wanted to hire you right to, to come in and like reprogram my subconscious, do I go to a training and you teach me how to do it first or can you just do it to me? And then I learned like what’s the process there?
Amy Curran: 00:11:53 Yeah, it’s a do with process. No one has to go to an NLP training. So I would recommend it. You can hire someone who knows how to do NLP with you.
Josh Forti: 00:12:08 Why did you go to the training versus just doing it at home?
Amy Curran: 00:12:11 I wanted, I wanted you to know how to help myself. And I had, at this point I had, I had no intentions of being a coach, uh, being a trainer, being in the master’s program, being in business. All I knew at that moment was I wanted to help myself. At the time I had a ton of auto immune issues from this stuff, from the PTSD and I had a few food allergies and all that stuff and it was awful. And then all that stuff has gone. So…
Josh Forti: 00:12:46 Okay. So let’s, let’s dive into this because I, to be quite quite honest with you, I don’t know a whole lot about NLP, which is one of the reasons I’m very excited to talk to you because I hear a lot of people talk about it and I hear a lot of people in my world, I’m a marketer, right? I do social media marketing and you know, business and all that stuff. So when I hear NLP, a lot of people think NLP, they’re like, oh, you’re using NLP for marketing. But like, yeah, talk to me though specifically like what actually happens? Like, I know you’re, you’re, you’re bringing these things up in your reprogramming programming them, but like what does that look like? How has it, has it done?
Amy Curran: 00:13:20 Well, there are a few ways that you can do NLP right? There is hypnosis. Okay. And that is, and basically putting someone in a trance state and getting to the root cause of an issue, which is regression, asking them, well, when was the first time that you experienced this? And then going in and changing the code and then bringing them back out. I mean basically your, your body is Holographic, right? It has stored every single memory that you have in your body. And like this moment right now and anyone else who is watching, you’re, you have a visual, you have an audio, you have a feeling right now and you’re taking a snapshot of this memory and you’re storing it in your body. Now we can, I can talk to you in a week from now and I can say, hey, you know, remember like the best moment of our conversation. Can you bring that back up to conscious awareness and bring up the visual. Okay. Now if I take that picture and I change that picture, the feelings and the, you know, the emotions and the intensity of the code in that picture will change. So, your brain works like a computer, your computer works like a brain and you can change the code in your brain, just like you can your computer. So, is he like one of my demonstrate this, that right now?
Josh Forti: 00:14:56 Yeah. So I, I would real quick though, when you say code, is that like changing the belief about that frame? Like changing what I believe happened in that moment?.
Amy Curran: 00:15:07 You can, you can change the belief or the meaning, which would definitely help or you can change the movie, that you’re running in your head. Change it to how you possibly have wanted it to work.
Josh Forti: 00:15:22 Yeah. Explain this a little bit further. Yeah, go into this.
Amy Curran: 00:15:25 Yeah, so I, oh gosh, I constantly re-edit movies in my head like before you, before you go and do something. Do you, do you run a movie of how it’s going to work out in your head?
Josh Forti: 00:15:39 I mean sometimes I feel like, yeah, I mean not the whole thing, but yeah, I would say so. Yeah.
Amy Curran: 00:15:44 Yeah. All right. Okay, well everyone’s doing that. A lot of people we’ll run movies if the worst-case scenario or when you think of an event in the past, are you running that movie in your head about how that situation worked out?
Josh Forti: 00:16:01 Yeah, for sure. Like thinking back on old, old memories. Yeah.
Amy Curran: 00:16:04 Yes. Okay, so everyone else does this as well, except a lot of times they’re just not aware of it. Sometimes it’s happening under conscious awareness. Sometimes they are aware of it and you can go back and re-edit the movie and change it how you would like it to have turned out and get some lessons and learnings from it so that you can discharge the emotional attachment to that movie and so that you, you can take it and become having a powerful resource for your future.
Josh Forti: 00:16:42 But like isn’t that trying to, and this is an honest question, I’m not trying to, you know, but like isn’t that kind of like trying to like changed reality like you’re trying to be like, oh that, that didn’t really happen. I want to, I want to see it this way instead.
Amy Curran: 00:16:56 Well here’s, here’s what’s interesting about our memories at the time we experienced something. Ah, we are, we have our own perception of it. Right. That’s why if you were to interview 10 people robbing a bank, each person would have their own little story about it would be different. So the way the mind stores this stuff in our brain, it didn’t really happen the way you thought it happened. It happened the way that you were in that moment with your own perceptual filters, with your own belief system, with your own value system. And that is why someone else could have a different perspective of it. There could be information that you deleted from that experience. There could be information that you weren’t aware of at that experience. And we know by neuroscience that when we go back and experience and memory, we re-edit it. So the only, yes. So the only way, the only way to keep your memories intact, is to never remember them. Every time you go back to a memory, you re-edit it. Yeah, look this up.
Josh Forti: 00:18:13 Crazy and it makes sense.
Amy Curran: 00:18:16 And it’s your neurology. Like why, why would, why would you, you know, why? Why wouldn’t you want to change that to have a better outcome from your future? Now, this isn’t saying that, okay, that never happened or, and you can, you can leave the memory as it was if you want to. You can change it if you want to. Whatever works for you. Like if you, if you wanted to bring more positive meaning out of the situations and by all means do it.
Josh Forti: 00:18:55 You’re not necessarily saying like, let’s say you had a memory of a car crash. You’re not saying like, Hey, I’m going to go back and I’m going to reprogram your brain to believe that the car crash never happened. You’re saying, Hey, I’m training your brain to see that car crash from a completely different perspective.
Amy Curran: 00:19:11 Well, I will do it. Yeah. If I, if I, if I take the car crash out of there, uh, what the unconscious mind will do is recreate that situation again. So it’s important for me to leave the lesson that the person learned in the imprint of the change. So yeah, there is an ecology check and I have said no to people in regards to change work. Okay. Sorry. We have had people who have experienced, uh, burn marks, um, from, you know, fire accidents and things like that. Go back and change the memory and this was their choice. Like they wanted to change the entire outcome. Like they didn’t even experience that and have scars and things are removed from their face. Yes. Look at, Nassim Haramein. Do you know him?
Josh Forti: 00:20:09 No. Imma write him down.
Amy Curran: 00:20:11 Nassim Haramein. He is a quantum physicist.
Josh Forti: 00:20:14 I love quantum Physics.
Amy Curran: 00:20:15 Okay, great. Nassim Harriman. Yes. He talks about this, how people will go back and you know, re-edit [inaudible] their memories, Rhea, their situations and have scars disappear. Yeah. Anything’s possible. You are a holographic storage unit of all of your experiences.
Josh Forti: 00:20:40 Why, why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp in America? Like I feel like maybe I’m, maybe I’m wrong, I’m so, I’m getting ready to go on a four month world trip because I want to see the rest of the world. But I feel like a lot of this stuff that we’re talking about is easier for people in other countries to maybe accept.
Amy Curran: 00:20:56 It could be.
Josh Forti: 00:20:58 Maybe not, but like why is this such a hard concept for us to accept?
Amy Curran: 00:21:01 There’s not a lot of conditioning.There’s, there is a lot of, there’s a lot of conditioning out there that is, yeah know, put, put out on people. In a way to keep them disempowered. So I mean, why if you were working in the, in a therapeutic industry I have is I had a 20 year psychologist in front of me the other night, 20 years. He looks at me and he says, what I’ve been doing, you know, I got into psychology to fix all my stuff and what I have been doing isn’t working. So okay. And I didn’t change. I said, okay, and so do you see clients all the time? He said, yeah, I do. I’ve been seeing some of the same clients for years and years and years. And I said, well, would you want to do something different? And his wife was there and he said, and she says to me, well, if he didn’t see the same client recurring over and over and over again, he wouldn’t have as job security. Okay. So [inaudible].
Josh Forti: 00:22:14 story of where he was like, bring me your, you know, bring me your best with the, the, the biggest case of the guy that you can’t fix and I’ll prove to you that I’m going to fix them. And there was a lady who was like deathly, deathly, deathly afraid of snakes and she brought her up on stage and by the end of the night or whatever, he wrapped a snake around her. Right. And she was totally fine. Like what?
Amy Curran: 00:22:32 Exactly. And I, you know, I’m not, I’m not in judgment of this man or what he’s doing. I think there are people who want that model. Yeah. There are people who are not, are not consciously or unconsciously yeah. Ready to hear that information and when they are they will.
Josh Forti: 00:22:58 But like I feel like a lot of this is belief, right? Yeah. I mean like everything we’re doing, we do is out of belief, but like does NLP only work on some people or do can, can it work on everyone?
Amy Curran: 00:23:11 Uh, the only people who it doesn’t work for are the people who absolutely do not want to change and have a lot of secondary gain in there. which means that, you know, me solving the problem, no, I, I would have to do, yeah. Ex, I’ll put it this way and let’s say let’s say somebody is really sick and the only way that they get attention from other people is by being sick or being broke or secondary gain to see agent they don’t want to. Then there is no amount of NLP, hypnosis or any of that that will do anything for anyone. Yeah. So also, so my clients are on a range from, “Oh my God, I’m so freaking desperate” to “hey, like to make another million dollars,” you know?.
Josh Forti: 00:24:07 So, how does this work? What do you do to them?
Amy Curran: 00:24:14 What do I do to them?
Josh Forti: 00:24:15 Like how do you, how do you do this? Like giving this pretty freaking amazing.
Amy Curran: 00:24:18 Okay, so let, let’s have you have an experience of just a shift, right? We’re going to do something simple. I want you to think of a time in your life. Where are you? We’re just on it, man. You’re so proud. You just accomplish something. The thing I just reached my goal. I am. Yeah. Powerful. I’m just like, yes, I’m proud. Can you think of a time that when you just were like all over it?
Josh Forti: 00:24:51 Yeah.
Amy Curran: 00:24:52 You are the man. You got that. You got that sense of texture.Okay. You know right where you were point to that picture in your own personal space. Like if you were to just reach out and touch it, where would it be?
Josh Forti: 00:25:05 Like right there.
Amy Curran: 00:25:08 Good. Now put, take, take your fingers and put a frame around how big that picture is. Put a black frame around that picture. Put a black frame around. Yes. It’s pretty big, right? Rab that picture while looking at it. And I want you to make that picture bigger. Make it bigger.
Josh Forti: 00:25:36 Wow. Okay. So it was like [inaudible].
Amy Curran: 00:25:40 Yeah, so, so this is, this is how, so you like woo, you felt like bigger. The event got more intense for you. This is how you are projecting out your reality. If you have a picture of yourself blowing it with somebody, and this is under conscious awareness. Everyone is doing NLP all the time. All I’m doing is making you consciously aware of what you’re doing at an unconscious level. Okay. So then these are the filters that you see through. If you have a picture and you’re not aware of it, but now, now you know how to get aware of your stuff. You have a picture of, I’m just going to, I was just going to totally blow this sales call. That is exactly the frame that you are going to project that exactly the order that you’re going to give your unconscious mind to do and you’re going to operate from that frame.
Josh Forti: 00:26:39 So if I want to make $1 million, what frame are you changing?
Amy Curran: 00:26:43 Um, if, if somebody’s like, yeah, you can do, you can do this too. Like every, everyone. Yeah. I’m going to give a really good technique that everyone can use to change something. And you can either use this now or after. After the show. What you want to do, let’s say you want to change the state of being a change of behavior. Change a habit, right? Bring up the picture of the you, that ain’t working for you, doing that habit, doing that behavior. Okay, bring it up. You’ll L it’ll pop right up for you. Okay, Ben, create an image of the person that has already overcome that obstacle or that problem. Create an image of the person that you want to be and make it make it general. Um, it doesn’t need to be an image of you doing anything. It could just be a picture of you saying hello on the red carpet. Like, yeah, just that’s me. That is my future self. That is how I see myself. Right? And make the colors of the picture brighter or [inaudible] bigger and you can make that picture as big as you want because your unconscious mind is going to be compelled towards that picture. You’ve probably heard like if you’re [inaudible], um, if you’re wanting something, you need to see yourself in the picture, right? Did you know that? Okay. You’ve heard that. Okay. This is an NLP concept, right? So you have the old picture of you. I don’t know, maybe you’re acting small. A lot of people. I do. I deal with this with a lot of the pictures like tiny and I, what you do is you tap the old picture of the old habit, the old behavior, the old state, the old identity, whatever it is. And you take the, the bigger picture of you having overcome this problem. You as the person that you want to be. Take that picture and sling it across the room at a hundred miles an hour and have it coming back at you at a hundred miles an hour and smash the old picture. Like have it visually smash in your head, face. See that old picture smash in your face and then just reset. You need to clear the screen because if you don’t, yeah, reset or look around or something, you’ll create a loop, an unconscious loop, and you’ll just bounce back and forth in between those behaviors and do it again. If you, if you bring up this picture of the old view at the new ones, slaying across the room, like, like a boomerang, come back, smash and see that old picture. Uh, just just break apart and do it as many times as you can, as you want to until you are not pulling up an image of that old picture. Now what this happens, what happens is this tells your unconscious mind, not this, this, not this, this. So you will come upon a situation where you used to have that habit. You used to have that behavior. You used to be acting small and you’re, and immediately the picture of who you want to be will pop right up on the screen of your mind and you will act from that frame.
Josh Forti: 00:30:11 Hmm. How do you know you’re doing it right?
Amy Curran: 00:30:15 The behavior will change, your behavior will change.
Josh Forti: 00:30:19 And like how, how, how fast?
Amy Curran: 00:30:20 Immediately. Like the, the next time you encounter a situation that um, yeah, of course you want to test this, right? As a convincer or an experience, you’ll know there, there are, there are ways that I was showing up in the world that I didn’t like. Okay. And yeah, this is what I do anytime like, okay, this isn’t serving them, not showing up. in a way that this isn’t working for me, I’d want to either speak to this person more kindly or you know, my husband, my children, this is who this is who I want to be. These are the qualities that what happened, this picture smash that old picture having shattered. The more, the more cinematic you make it for your mind, the better because the brain likes that. Right? You liked the big screen TV. Everybody loves looking at an Imax theater, right? It’s more tend to landing then looking at your phone. So yeah, do, do that anytime. It’s my number one go-to when I want to change something on the fly at the old picture, the old pattern. Neal’s have it the new picture, like I how I am sitting here talking to you right now. [inaudible] it’s pretty close to the picture of the woman that I wanted to be. And I keep using the same picture over and over again. My hair looks exactly the same. My makeup looks exactly the same. And what when I started using this picture over and over and over again, uh, what happened was my health changed. I immediately was unconsciously attracted to an NLP coach to help me work on my health in energetic way. Like I wanted, I wanted to be able to wear all of the hats that I wanted to wear, which was entrepreneur, which is mother.I homeschool my children. I’m not putting them in that system.
Josh Forti: 00:32:26 Right.I was homeschooled. I get it.
Amy Curran: 00:32:30 I’m trainer, you know, and I wanted to be completely powerful throughout the day, like power on. So I, I sleep five hours a night, and take a half hour nap during the day.That is all I need and I am on dude. I am crystal freaking clear on with sharp thinkings, sharp senses, and that’s the chains that I want. So I was unconsciously attracted to all of the things, all of the people, including you right now that would get me to be where I am right now.
Josh Forti: 00:33:04 Is it like, is it like subconscious manifestation almost? Was that a really bad example?
Amy Curran: 00:33:12 Oh, perfect. Your subconscious, oh, this is, this is beautiful. This is beautiful. I am so glad that you brought this up. Okay. Because your, your conscious mind is the goal setter. Your unconscious mind is the goal her. Okay. And this is what a lot of people don’t do. They do not give themselves clear, specific and simple instructions to their unconscious mind so that it can operate for them.People just go around thinking, thinking, thinking, whatever they want to.
Josh Forti: 00:33:43 Well and whatever this tells them to. I mean this, so you know the cell phone, like it’s whatever social media tells them to. So like so I mean I’m big on the subconscious, right? Like 90% of everything that we do is, you know, driven by our subconscious and our actions, our beliefs. But like talk to me about the person, a lot of listeners in my audience now I know my audience pretty well. Shiny Object Syndrome and I’m sure you’ve dealt with this right? But like Shiny Object Syndrome is a big deal for a lot of people. They can’t stay focused, right? They can’t stay focused constantly jumping here and there and everywhere. Right. And let’s say like, I mean, I know what I want to do. Maybe I don’t believe you. I do let, let, let’s say for easy to get blind to, right? Like I want to build a whatever, a company and I know where I’m going, but I’m constantly getting a strategy. I can stay focused or whatever. And so like I’ve got this consciously I can manifest, right? I can be like this, this is what I want. Yay. Right? But all of a sudden I can’t follow through. I can’t follow through, I can’t follow through. So I know what I want and I, I manifested it consciously and I said, this is what I’m going to do. But for whatever reason I can’t stay focused and I know this and I’m doing this picture frame thing, right? And maybe you can explain this better so that you can change this. But like, you know, I’m visualizing this picture frame coming to smashing, but now I’m like, okay, I wake up the next morning and it’s like, but man, Facebook’s there, but oh, this person there, oh, this or that. And I’m distracted again. So like how do you get over that?
Amy Curran: 00:35:03 I would say, I mean without speaking to somebody directly who had the problem, most times when I encounter this issue, it has to do with the person being out of the line with their values and what’s important to them. Because when you are going towards the things that are important to you, you’re never going to lose motivation. Right. I mean, when you want something, you’re motivated for it too. And it’s, it’s like,
Josh Forti: 00:35:33 but like a lot of people want 1 million bucks.
Amy Curran: 00:35:36 They what?
Josh Forti: 00:35:36 Like a of people want to build a business and get rich. Right. And like I like what you said about the alignment, but like…
Amy Curran: 00:35:42 Do they really want to?
Josh Forti: 00:35:45 are you saying it’s like the strongest form of motivation or like the whatever you want the most. Like you, I’d rather watch Netflix then go out and build a business. So therefore I will default to Netflix.
Amy Curran: 00:35:55 [inaudible] it’s possible there could be an unconscious belief that is stopping them also. Um, I’ll, I’ll give you an example, right? Cause I dealt with this with my husband. He was reaching an income level that I was like, now I’m going to break through the ceiling baby. Okay. So let’s dig up with what’s going on. And, uh, I did an exercise with him in anybody can do this exercise to dig up what you’ve got down in the basement. Um, so I, I said this is all right if I work with you, right? He’s a coach too. Did you imagine two married coaches? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know, right? We, we, we, we, yeah, we get permission to do some work with each other, but what he’s doing in his life does affect me. So I’m going to ask and so I started asking him these questions. I said, so to answer this question for me, if I was a rich person, I would be, and everybody can do this exercise, write it down. If I was a rich person, I would be. And He, yeah, it started giving me all of these polite answers and this is what a lot of people do. If I was a rich person, I would be successful. Isn’t that nice and polite? And people do, they’ll, they will rationalize. they will be polite, all of the surface,
Josh Forti: 00:37:12 They’ll give you the right answer.
Amy Curran: 00:37:13 It’s coming up. And I kept going, right. And I’m pressing him and I’m relentless. And I knew I had him because his body went when I got to it and he halted and he didn’t want to spit it out and he didn’t want to say it. And I was like, there it is, say it, say it, say it. And um, he goes, if I was a rich person, I would be up controlling. And I went, oh, there it is. That is a deep unconscious belief. And I just, you know, went right into trans, you know, ray right there when and where it was first time that you had ever had that thought, had that experience, um, brought that to your conscious awareness and it was him being younger in a grocery store, um, it, looking at magazines of political leaders. It was, you know, it was associated with that and we dealt with that and they only got rid of that. And then like, in eight weeks his income increased it all $100,000. So that’s like
Josh Forti: 00:38:18 big and make sure, I’m sorry, I don’t mean to interrupt you here, but I want to make sure I’m understanding this. So you, because he believed that if he was rich he would be blank and yes, that thing was negative. You were looking for the thing because you’re like, man, if I’m rich, if I was a multimillionaire, I would be blank. And he had a negative association with that. So she was being held back from that. But most people are not willing to be honest with themselves to say, Hey, if I was given a million bucks right now, I would be in a hole. Right? I would be a jerk. I would be like, whatever. And so if they can shift their perception to where they actually truly believed that if they were worth millions and millions of dollars, they would be an amazing human being than they would go out and get rich.
Amy Curran: 00:39:04 Yes. Like you can, you can do this, um, anytime. Yeah. Rich people are and write, write down your answers until you get to the point to where you’re like, you’re going to have an emotional reaction to that five d okay, that’s funny. And then you’re, you know, you gotta you know, a vibration that you’re sitting out there and…
Josh Forti: 00:39:33 That’s amazing. So it really is belief. It’s the, the perception of belief that you have about whatever you’re unable to do.
Amy Curran: 00:39:44 Oh yes, yes. Your, your, uh, your external reality is reflecting back to you what is going on on the inside and you have sorted you a holographic memories. Anybody can look into this. Uh, the note that has as a Nobel prize winner, Karl Pribram, he was the one that discovered that our memories are stored holographically throughout the body.
Josh Forti: 00:40:08 Really? That’s so interesting. I’m going to have to look into that more.So let’s, I want to dive down a little bit further onto this example with let’s say, let’s go back to the money example with your husband. Okay. So like he says this I, you know, I get to this point where I’ve done this exercise and I’m like, I think that rich people are corrupt, manipulative freaks, right? And I’m like, if I’m a rich person, I don’t want to be a British manipulative freak. So if I feel like if I was rich, I was going to be a crop manipulative freak. I have identified that I believe that it’s out there now. Now what do I do now?
Amy Curran: 00:40:45 Now what do I do? You could reframe that yourself and simply just be consciously aware of that you have that belief. Sometimes there is no need for me to go to a, you know, big process. You can just ask yourself. That’s all you need to do is ask yourself like, where did I get that from? How old was I when I got that? And if you, if you’re sitting quiet with yourself and ask yourself how old was I like pick that up. Your unconscious mind is going to give you the answer. This is what a lot of people do. Your unconscious mind is the first to answer everything else after that is a generalization. Generalization. It’d be us. This is like when I’m talking to a client. Um, yeah, generally I’m not listening to what they say i’m calibrating their body, right? Cause their body’s going to tell me everything that I want to know. If there’s stuffing were stuttering, my boredom flag goes right up. Right. Because the unconscious mind is first to answer. And a lot of times people, this is what people do. People either, once they get the answer, they’ll, they’ll go, no, that’s not it. There they’ll think they’re making it up or they’ll just reject it.
Josh Forti: 00:42:05 Interesting. [inaudible] why?
Amy Curran: 00:42:08 I mean it, you know it. Okay, well think about this year. You know, you, you, you grew and this isn’t, you know, this isn’t, you know, some knock-on parents. I am a parent. I’m making mistakes with my kids, right? Part of being a parent, um, however well-intentioned our parents are. You had, do you read to do what they said? Then you had to go to school and do what someone else said. You didn’t get to do what you wanted to do. [inaudible] that little voice inside your head that knew better. Okay? That thing got shut down. The more that you were criticized or as well can’t you sit still? Um, and that, that’s what creates the shadow. That’s what creates the unconscious baggage. Okay? Whenever we did not, or we’re not able to express our true selves, express her two desires, um, we repressed that stuff. So you kinda got used to the habit of not listening to that small soft voice that always answered first. And everyone knows, everyone knows how often you’ve ignored it. Okay. And some, for some people it’s not even listening. It’s like, Oh yeah, sure. You say you’re going to listen to me now. Okay, well what about the next guy that comes around? You just drag me around doing that too. So yeah, people, people are completely at, can be completely out of rapport with their unconscious mind. Like how many times, how many times does it happen in your life where you went, you had this, this intuition, this inkling, and you were like, yeah, I’m going to override it and just do this anyway. And it didn’t work out.
Josh Forti: 00:43:52 Yeah, man, that’s so crazy. Wow. So I mean NLP is something, you know NLP or whatever. Like I know a lot of people there, here and there like this is incredible. I’m going to go be a hypnotist or an NLP person or whatever. And it’s like, you know, some people just have a career and not everybody. I would imagine you’re not telling everybody to go become an NLP expert or a hypnotist. So like what are practical things that people can do on a daily basis to basically NLP themselves or hypnotize themselves, whatever you want to call it. Two, get what they want. Like what are practical things?
Amy Curran: 00:44:24 Okay. The switch pattern exercise that I just showed you, it’s a swish pattern, right? Cover. Again, picture of old habit, old stuff, whatever. Keep smashing that new picture of you and smash that picture. Other old picture in front of your face, make sure you reset and look somewhere else, um, before you do the process again. And this takes some mental, uh, mental exercise and it’s good because you know, if you’re an entrepreneur, you’re going to want to master your mind anyway and you know, focus on your vision, right? Um, so first for self hypnosis, uh, one of the things that you can do, ah, in the morning before you come to full consciousness, you know, before you come fully awake, you can ask your unconscious mind to say, hey, um, can you kind of consciously guide me to that moment before I’m coming, ah, into full conscious awareness while I’m in bed? And so that I can insert positive suggestions. So you can self hypnotize in the morning. Um, you can completely relax and focus on a spot on the wall and just let your eyes gaze out. I’m doing it right now. Okay. Because when I expand my peripheral vision, like I can see, oh, sides of my hands, there is no way I can hold a negative thought or an idea are a negative state. In that expanded awareness and I can just tell myself I’m going into a state of no sin, transfer the purpose of celebrating my business skills and whatever it is that you specifically want to do and give yourself suggestions while in a just a nice relaxed state and then come out of it. You’re never, you’re never not giving yourself suggestions. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis.
Josh Forti: 00:46:33 It’s just [inaudible] like you’re consciously doing it. Hypnosis is the constant or the the, um, conscious version of programming. Whereas your reality, I mean, your environment is basically hypnotizing you on a daily basis, so you might as well.
Amy Curran: 00:46:49 Yes. Yeah. So what are the things that I do because um, yeah, I am an alternative in my thinking. I’m not the only person. All right. Um, but what if you, cause I hear this a lot, entrepreneurs, they’ll say, well, my family’s and supportive friends said, or you have people that are going on, you can do that or whatever, however, they piss on your parade. What are the things that I’ll do is put an a on a visualize and imagine an unconscious flexy field around me and continue to hold my frame that way. I’m not getting sucked down someone else’s reality tunnel. I mean, you’re already doing this under conscious awareness anyway, right? Have you ever been in a, in the room with a woman who’s like, maybe she’s mad at you and uh, you Kinda, she like, she’s, she knows you’re there but you’re not there. Okay. You, she got called. Well, this is what she’s doing under unconscious awareness as she is visually, unconsciously has a shield up around you and you lay in it. When you’re in rapport with someone, like, I’m in rapport with you right now. We’ve been in good rapport during this whole thing, right? In order for me to be in good rapport with you, unconsciously, Aye expanded the boundaries that goes around you that way. You and I are having a great time. You’re in my space. You’re in my boundary. And that’s what, that’s what happens unconsciously when you’re like, I’m so in tune with this person on an under conscious awareness. You have a boundary that is included that person in your space. Hmm.
Josh Forti: 00:48:35 Interesting. Oh Man. It just goes to show you the power of more of the subconscious mind that the power of environments, the power of what you tell yourself, the power of thought. I wished more people would realize this and I’m, I mean that’s why we’re doing this podcast interview. I mean that’s why you’re on here because like, ah, like you control, I mean you really do control your reality. You really can do control what you, you do. I do have to ask like, I’m assuming you’re probably pretty big on like energy and like energy things and things of that nature. Um, do you believe, and this is kind of off topic and wrapping it up here because I can’t believe we’ve already gone all of a sudden hours and saying it goes back, but like do you believe that other dimensions and other, there’s other things out there upon which like things travel through outside of the things that were in that, that play a role into our belief systems or the energy or anything like that? Or is that like a way far out concept that’s not really affected what you’re doing?
Amy Curran: 00:49:33 I haven’t seen, you know, these things that you’re mentioning with my own eyes open too. Understanding. Outside influences. I think anything is possible. Yeah. Anything possible.
Josh Forti: 00:49:51 Yeah. It’s just, it’s fascinating to me how many people, I mean we, we briefly mentioned quantum physics, right? And quantum physics is something that I have studied, I don’t want to say heavily because I feel like heavily studying quantum physics. Like someone studied it for 20 years and claimed that they studied that heavily, but I have studied at significantly more than the average human, um, has. And it’s like when you like look at that and you understand that we are energy, that everything is energy, right. And the power of energy when it comes to thought, when it comes to beliefs and when it comes to the attraction, like we’re, I mean, we’re actively attracting whatever energy that we’re putting out. Right. And you know, that’s just the law of, you know, the law of nature, the laws of physics. And it’s like, yeah, if people understood that they would, I think they would be much more consciously aware or be much more aware of like the, the where they surround themselves with. And you know, the best example I can think of in my own life is like, I used to cuss and swear a ton, right? I got all the freaking time, every other word was the f bomb ever this whatever. And I looked at my environment that that was happening in versus my environment now. Well, I don’t do it a whole lot. Right? And it’s like just that just changing my environment changes a huge, huge core belief about yourself. And it’s, you know, based on this identity of like, oh, I’m not a cusser, therefore I will not cuss. I am a customer, therefore I cuss. That’s simply an identity shift. And that’s simply stored in the subconscious mind. And once people realize, like you said, like it’s oftentimes very simple, but oftentimes we reject simple.
Amy Curran: 00:51:22 You mean, oh, oh,oh, we’re so good at complicating everything our way is so simple. Even business people are, they, they can really get into complicating that. And I think what’s really important for entrepreneurs to understand is um, you know, a lot of people will say, oh, okay, 80% of businesses fail in x number of months because of this. The entrepreneur needs to stop having their mind wired like a work e job. Okay. The less I do, the more money I make. Most people don’t succeed in entrepreneur because their brains are still wired to a job. So they’re doing employee activities in their business.
Josh Forti: 00:52:20 Yeah.
Amy Curran: 00:52:20 Yeah. So that
Josh Forti: 00:52:21 you can’t be tied to, you have to learn to not tie your value to time. Yeah. It’s higher values to well value, how much value you put out into the world and how much and like it’s also one of the interesting concepts and I’ll kind of wanna end with this and then we’ll move to at rapid fire questions. But I’d be curious to know your thoughts on this is like the type of person that you work with. A lot of people in, most people in businesses work with people, right? Especially Service based businesses. The type of person that you work with also determines the value that you’re putting out. For example, like if, if you were to work with Tony Robbins, right, and you were to positively impact Tony Robbins and it took you five minutes to do that, the overall value and the compound effect of the value that you have by positively impacting a Tony Robbins versus positively impacting someone that is, you know, just an average human being is far greater with Tony Robbins. Not because Tony Robbins is a more valuable human being then that other people, because all people are created equal but simply because of the compound effect of the value that he is putting out. And so if you, you know, you go through and you work with super, super valuable people, you can do a fraction of the work and have, you know, exponential amount of results simply because of the people that you’re working with rather than focusing and doing massive amounts of work on, you know, smaller amounts of people.
Amy Curran: 00:53:48 Yeah, I mean I, I gave Immy just one idea shift and the next thing he knows, next thing I know he sent me a video testimonial. I didn’t ask for that. Right. I didn’t even think about that.
Josh Forti: 00:54:08 That’s amazing.
Amy Curran: 00:54:10 He was so awesome.
Josh Forti: 00:54:11 That’s awesome. Amy, this has been so much fun. Um, I can’t believe it’s already been an hour. It feels like it’s been 10 minutes. I do want to move, we do some rapid fire questions real quick at the end of all the interviews. Um, so if you don’t mind, we’ll just do some quick, easy, rapid fire questions or whatnot. Um, and then we’ll wrap up with one final question and then go from there. But before we move on to that, if people wanted to learn more about you, follow you, you’ll connect with you, whatever. Wow. That where would they go to learn more about what you do and that?
Amy Curran: 00:54:37 Well, I have a website, www.twoempoweryou.com. You can find me on Facebook. Amy Curran. They also have a business page, which is to empower you as well. Uh, I, I put my phone number out there. Six, seven, eight eight four eight four two two zero contacts me. Mm.
Josh Forti: 00:55:02 What we’ll do, we’ll, we’ll link that guys, we’ll link all those down in the description, her Facebook and our website and phone number. Everything will down be down in the description of this. So if you want to reach out to her or find out more about what she does, uh, check out the description there. So, okay, Amy, let’s move to rapid fire questions. First. Rapid fire question that I have for you is it sounds like you do some traveling, right? Love it. What is your preferred traveling method flying, driving you like playing? What’s your favorite airline?
Amy Curran: 00:55:31 Delta.
Josh Forti: 00:55:32 Delta. That’s a pretty common answer actually. Um, what’s a bucket list item that you want to do in your life?
Amy Curran: 00:55:38 Go to Thailand.
Josh Forti: 00:55:40 Good Thai… Why Thailand?
Amy Curran: 00:55:41 I Dunno.
Josh Forti: 00:55:42 You don’t know.
Amy Curran: 00:55:44 cause it’s outside my comfort zone.
Josh Forti: 00:55:45 Oh really? I’m going to Thailand in December. Actually. I have to let you know how it goes. Uh, that’ll be awesome. Um, where’s your dream place to live?
Amy Curran: 00:56:00 Right here with my family.
Josh Forti: 00:56:02 And you’re out of Atlanta? Totally happy with it?. Just Atlanta, Georgia hanging with the family.
Amy Curran: 00:56:07 Yup.
Josh Forti: 00:56:07 That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Okay. A final question that I have for you, and this is a deep one, and this is a question that we ask every single interview that has been done on the podcast so far. We always end the podcast with this question, and that is, um, fast forward to the end of your life and you’re on your deathbed and everything you’ve done, all your success, money, fame, whatever it is, it’s all gone and nobody knows who you are. Everything’s wiped out. However, every single person that you have touched and affected, either directly or indirectly, you get to leave them with one final message of wisdom that’s gonna stick with them for the rest of their life. What would that message be?
Amy Curran: 00:56:40 I’m so glad that none of you waited for someone else out there to give you permission or to help you decide to believe that you were deserving for what you want. So go for it. I’m so glad that you went for it.
Josh Forti: 00:56:56 It’s interesting that you phrase it in that terminology of I’m so glad that you did. Yes. Rather than go do it. It’s, I’m so glad that you did.
Amy Curren: 00:57:07 I’m so glad that all of you did.
Josh Forti: 00:57:10 That’s amazing. I love that. Amy, this has been so fascinating. Um, thank you so much for your time and I learned so much. Uh, is there any last thoughts or anything that you wanted to share with the audience?
Amy Curran: 00:57:19 Yeah, there’s, there’s one, one, one real quick thing that I wanted to bring up and maybe this, this, this could be helpful to some people because this comes up a lot. Um, the whether or not I’m qualified to do what I do. Okay. And just want to bring this up. Uh, I don’t know if anyone has ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Okay. So this is for anyone who feels, well, I’m not quite on. If I did do what, okay. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect. People who doubt themselves are most qualified people who don’t doubt themselves are at least qualified because they have no metric or feedback system. The more you know, the more you don’t know what you don’t know.
Josh Forti: 00:58:07 [inaudible] that’s totally, that’s super interesting isn’t it? I’ll have to find an article about that and we’ll link that into the description as well about that. That’s super cool. That’s actually, I’ve never thought about that. Yeah.
Amy Curran: 00:58:17 Yeah. So for all these people who sit around do this, hey, you’re the as a matter of fact because you don’t think you know at all. You’re the most qualified person.
Josh Forti: 00:58:32 Don’t do it because you’re going to be the person that’s going to double-check and triple-check everything and make sure that is awesome.
Amy Curran: 00:58:36 Yeah, you’re going to, you’re going to grow and learn and bring new things into, into the experience of whatever it is that you’re doing and just smash all the old paradigms behind.
Josh Forti: 00:58:49 That’s amazing. That’s amazing. Amy Curran everybody. Thank you so much Amy, for coming on. I really appreciate it. We’ll link all your stuff down below. Guys, check her out. Hit her up if you need any NLP stuff done. This was absolutely fascinating. I learned so much and I really appreciate your time coming on here. Guys as always, hustle, hustle, God bless. Do not be afraid to think different because those of us that think different are going to be the ones to change the world even if that world is just your own. I love you all and I will see you on the next podcast. Take it easy fam. Peace.
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