Think Different Theory

“The Trump Dilemma” His Policies, Character, and Politics


In this episode, I sit down with a respected marketer, entrepreneur, and former VP of marketing at ClickFunnels, Julie Stoian, and we talk Donald Trump. Julie is not a Trump supporter while I am, but we have a civil discussion about his policies, character, and politics.

We also dive into the pros and cons of his presidency, immigration, foreign aid, abortion, and more.


My goal with this interview is to lead by example and show everyone that you NEED to have conversations with people that have different points of view than you do. In today’s current climate in the USA, there are few people willing to sit down and actually have a respectable conversation on this topic. I think Julie and I made that happen in this episode.

This is a very important interview in today’s world, so stay tuned.

Here are the key topics discussed in this episode:

  • Receiving hate and death threats for being Pro-Trump (02:06)
  • America versus other nations: Putting America first (09:47)
  • Trump’s performance on issues of global impact (16:54)
  • The more coachable you are, the more success you’re going to have (26:23)Struggling with the loose credits and Trump’s leadership capabilities (34:40)
  • Why is Trump so bad if he’s done all the good? (45:22)
  • A legal path to immigration and the issue of the border wall (55:12)
  • The importance of ethics in marketing and the hook Trump used (01:02:11)
  • Operating on the spirit of the law versus to the letter of the law (01:09:47)
  • Federal versus state, and the issue of abortion (01:16:39)
  • Why do people hate Trump so much and has he done any good? (01:43:20)


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October 2, 2019


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Josh: 00:00:00 This interview is my way of really truly trying to see the other side. I have been pretty vocal in my support of Donald Trump’s policies, and what he has done for this country. And, I am incredibly confused behind the hatred that has gone on in the political realm for Donald Trump.

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Josh: 00:01:08 What’s up guys? It’s Josh. And, I got to bring some context around this interview that is about to take place here today, because I believe that one of the single greatest downfalls of America today, is the fact that we are no longer able to have civil disagreements and conversations about things that we disagree with one another on. Particularly in politics, specifically around Trump, and so many other things, and I firmly believe, that unless we can sit down and have a civilized discussion about issues without alienating the other side, and completely just ripping them apart, whether you agree with them or not, is absolutely fundamental to the very foundational fabric of our society. Unless we’re able to do that, we are going to fall apart, we are going to just have incredible demise, and inevitably fall, I believe. And so, this interview is my way of really truly trying to see the other side.

Josh: 00:02:06 I have been pretty vocal in my support of Donald Trump’s policies, and what he has done for this country. And, I am incredibly confused behind the hatred that has gone on in the political realm for Donald Trump. During my time of supporting Donald Trump, and since I have been vocal about some of the things that he has done that I like, I have received death threats, I have received absolute hate messages, I have received people telling me that they wish I would die and that, you know, just wishing horrible, horrible things. And I don’t understand that hatred. I would never in my wildest dreams wish that upon anyone, and I wouldn’t… could never live with that hatred. And so, I reached out on Facebook and I said, “Hey, I want to talk to someone, preferably a woman, preferably a Democrat, or someone on the other side of the aisle that does not like Trump.

Josh: 00:02:58 And, Julie Stoian, who is a… she is a registered Republican, but she is a woman, and she is anti-Trump, and she is a very, very well respected marketer, someone that I have a lot of respect for, and we have been friends on Facebook, and very, very well known. Has a pretty large following. She reached out and said, “You know what. I’m willing to do the debate.” And so, after much back and forth to her and her team, we decided to go ahead and sit down and do this. This was streamlined on Facebook originally, so some of the comments you will hear us referring back to are in those, but the attempt was to say, “Let’s debate on facts and policy and logic, and things that are actually happening, and you know, if we’re not debating on that, let’s call each other out on it.”

Josh: 00:03:36 And we had a civilized debate upon this and we didn’t convince each other one way or the other. But that was not the goal. The goal was to have a civilized discussion and to show people that, Hey, if you don’t like Trump, I respect you and that’s fine. And I asked the same respect for me, someone that you know, does support the president of the United States of America. And whether you liked that president or not, I believe that you need to respect that person as your president. The same way that I, and you know many, many people that I knew respect you too. Obama, even though we did not like him. And so this discussion and this debate is my way of living and being an example of saying we’ve got to have civilized discussions around things. So as you listen to this, whether you are a Trump supporter or a Trump, uh, or an anti-Trump person, I just please go into this with an open mind understanding that like it’s okay to have differences of opinions.

Josh: 00:04:30 It’s okay not to agree with your current leader of the United States of America. We still need respect and we still need to have conversations like this because this is the absolute foundational bedrock of our society and absolutely needs to happen if we want to have a country in the next five to 10 years. I also want to thank Julie and her team both for setting up the interview. And Julie’s specifically for being willing to come on, have a discussion that is not an easy one, especially for someone with influence, uh, with her size of influence. And I want to say thank you specifically to her. So, Julie, thank you. I appreciate you. Uh, I respect you and um, I I’m glad that we were able to have this conversation. So do you the listener enjoy the interview and remember that this is my way of leading by example with what I believe needs to be done in our society.

Josh: 00:05:17 Thank you. Welcome back to another episode of The Think Different Theory. My name is Josh Forti and we have with us today the incredible, amazing Julie Stoian and the long, long awaited a Trump interview that is going to come upon us today. Um, first and foremost, guys, first off, I want to say for everyone that’s listening, we’re streaming this on Facebook. We’re gonna be putting this out on the podcast and sure, a lot of people are going to see this. Uh, first and foremost, thank you for everyone that is watching, tuning in and viewing. Um, I also want to give a big shout out to Julie, but before I bring her on and introduce her, I just want to say, um, this topic is clearly a topic of heated discussion throughout the world today. And the point of this interview is not to chop each other’s heads off.

Josh: 00:06:03 In fact, if you’re here to watch two people destroy each other, you’re in the wrong place. I am someone that has been very vocal in my support of Trump’s policies, not so much maybe the person, but pretty vocal about Trump. Julie on the other side of that, you know, maybe not quite as vocal about her non-supportive it, but is very well informed. We’re here to have a civilized debate and I think that Julie made a very, very good point in her group the other day and in the post on her Facebook of saying, Hey, if people are afraid to share their opinion, that’s like the bedrock of the free society. Like we need that to happen. And so the point of this debate, the point of this discussion is to do that. And so I want to set the ground rules there. We are going to debate facts. We are probably gonna yell at each other sometimes, but eh, and the, the spirited things like the purpose of this is to have a civilized debate. So without further ado, Julie Stoian, thank you so much for coming on.

Julie: 00:06:48 Yeah, thank you for having me. I’m pumped on this, this call before we went live and you’re like, I’m so excited about today. And I was like, I wish I could share the sixth sense. I am here rather nervously. This is a very, very hot topic though. I think the one or two times I ever wrote about Trump on Facebook, just exploded. And I vowed I wouldn’t speak of it again. And here I am.

Josh: 00:07:14 and here we are. Here we are. Well, it’s amazing how I have that effect on people. Some people just swear they’ll never do it and somehow I’ll pull it out of them. Although I do say that a,

Julie: 00:07:23 I did. I did because I saw your comment on the posts about how few anti-Trump people can actually debate reasonably. And I think you put a B in my bond. I was like, what is he talking? I could do that.

Josh: 00:07:33 Well, well, well that’s the um, Oh, sorry. And I have a, I have a video playing in the background of Trump in my ears. I’m like, what’s going on? Um, I will say this though. Um, I think that we need to start off by finding common ground with Trump. And I want to start this discussion off right by going to the role of the president because, um, I think that, you know, my big issue with Trump is that when people oppose him, well, overwhelming majority, and you know me, I am not afraid to talk about Donald Trump. So I talk about him a lot. Like the overwhelming majority of people that don’t like him are all entirely caught up in emotions. And the fact that he’s a a jerk or the fact that, you know, I don’t like him and the hatred that I see from Donald Trump or towards Donald Trump, I cannot even fathom having that hatred or that amount of hatred towards someone or anything.

Josh: 00:08:26 And so for me, I go, okay, how do I debate someone that you know, does fundamentally disagree with me on that level? And I think the only way to have a civil debate is to first establish some form of common ground or common references. So what I’d like to do is just take some time and I’ll turn it over to you first and just kind of say, alright, let’s determine what is the role of the United States president as a whole. Taking Trump out of the equation and set the ground rules there so that we at least have some common ground.

Julie: 00:08:57 Yeah.

Josh: 00:08:57 Point back to you to say?

Julie: 00:08:58 Yeah, I mean I think if we go back to like whatever fifth grade civics or economics, social studies, the role of the president as, as I see it right, is to basically execute and enforce laws that Congress passes. Um, and to oversee all the departments in the government through his cabinet and the people that he appoints. Obviously he does other things. He’s the commander in chief of military. He negotiates treaties and foreign policy. He can exec, you know, issue executive orders. He can sign and, or veto laws. But at the end of the day, his job really is just to make sure that all us laws are being carried out through the government agencies and the leaders who’s put in place and to ensure that the federal government is running effectively. That’s what I see as the role of present.

Josh: 00:09:47 Okay. Uh, before we go on guys, if you’re tuning in, um, I don’t know where the comments are showing up. I don’t know if you guys can see them or not. I can’t. [inaudible]. Okay, so guys, just comment hashtag team live down below and just let us know that you’re tuning in. Say hello to us. Um, yes, I’m going to ask you for some engagement because this is a great interview and I’m, I’m excited for it. Um, back to to that though. Okay. So let me ask you this. Do you believe that the role of the United States president then is to put America first in regards to other countries versus American? Does American?

Julie: 00:10:20 I think that was a really, I think that’s a really good question. I think if we were to simply stay, of course, yes, a president must first consider the safety and security in the United States. But this is all like, that’s all in like theory because it gets super complicated about what is truly the best interest of the United States because when the best entrance of the United States is possibly the, you know, the demise of another nation we are at, at this current time, one of the most, if not the most powerful nation on earth. So our behavior can carry consequences, which means like our actions can topple the security of the entire planet. So it’s actually a very difficult decision to really assess if putting America first, uh, if it greatly affects the global economic, you know, world or stability. Is it really in the best interest of the U S if it topples the marginal piece that we have?

Julie: 00:11:12 And so I think even though I would say to answer your question, Oh yes, it, yes, of course the president has to put America first. I think that a lot of the decisions that the president has to make are so complicated and because of our power and our responsibility can create these global tremors that if we’re putting the entire planet at risk with our decisions, then I would argue that’s not in the best interest of the United States. And it’s very shortsighted. And so, uh, my, my over my overarching response is that this kind of critical thinking, this non black and white thinking is the thinking that I believe the president lacks. He’s very black and white. And so I think a lot of these hard decisions can be simplified as

Julie: 00:11:54 in putting America first when you’re not necessarily thinking about will America is not first if the entire global economy or the global climate or whatever starts to crumble. That’s my short answer.

Josh: 00:12:05 Okay. Okay. G I, and you’re talking about specifically this particular president, right?

Julie: 00:12:11 Yeah, yeah.

Josh: 00:12:13 In this case. Okay. Okay. So I believe in, to answer my own question here, just so that people know my, you know, my, my side as well, I want to make sure that we’re both, you know, stating this to till we find common ground. I do believe first and foremost that the job of the president is doing force the constitution, um, and, and, and uphold the constitution. The I States, um, that is, you know, when they’re sworn in, like I do solemnly swear to uphold the constitution. So that’s my ability of the ISIS America. So, and I agree with pretty much everything else that you said.

Josh: 00:12:41 Um, as far as his job, his role, his responsibilities, um, as far as putting America first DOE, I believe that first and foremost, when it comes to the safety of the American people, I believe that it is overwhelmingly the job of the American president two, um, when not dealing directly with like aid and stuff to other countries like to protect and secure the structural safety of America and the structural groundwork of us working. And so we’re going to get into immigration and, and things like that. But I believe that, you know, and I want to be able to point back to this and I’m curious your thoughts on this, that being considered just because it may seem rude to someone else or that we’re bashing someone else. Um, or maybe not bashing it, but like not focusing on helping someone else, um, when they might be in a time of need, where they really need help.

Josh: 00:13:42 That doesn’t make the president a bad person or the president’s role. A choice and choice is wrong. It means that he and his job is not to go out and be the savior of the world. I don’t believe that America is supposed to be the world’s policemen. I believe that the role of the United States president is to protect and serve America, secure America’s borders, keep America safe, keep America healthy. And then once, and if ever we get to that point where we have healthy economic growth, healthy social issues, healthy, you know, financial stability, then we can focus on going and trying to keep peace in the rest of the world. But the big issue that I see is that there are so many people that believe that the job of the United States and the president being the president, like you know, the leader of the United States that say that we should have this responsibility to help everyone in aid. Anyone, whenever there is a catastrophe or whenever there’s a war or whenever people need money, like we’re rich, so we should help them. And so my question is, is like I don’t believe that that’s the case. I think we need to put America first. And I think that Russia should put Russia first and China ship, but China first and you know, wherever else should put their own country first. Not in a, Hey we hate everybody else. But yeah, we’ve got to focused on fixing ourselves first. You.

Julie: 00:15:01 the emergency, uh, airplane instructions, you know, put your own oxygen mask on first before you can help someone else. I believe fundamentally that our ability to help other people is only direct in proportion to how much we’ve helped ourselves. So I would agree with you. I would say that the job of the president is to put America first and secure America, you know, like from a social standpoint and economic standpoint all of that way. I think the, the part that is very tricky is that a lot of, and I’m not saying like there are times like when there is a war going on or there’s, you know, something out there that like it can feel very mean to not go, you know, help them when there’s, but there’s all always, always you can look at and look at what’s going on in our country and be like, yeah, well there are a lot of problems out there, but there’s also a lot of problems in here as well that need attention.

Julie: 00:15:52 I think my biggest, my biggest point in making is that there are some decisions that come across the president’s desk that would have global implications that could conceivably rock the stability of the entire planet because of the position of power that we’re in, which means that Donald Trump in putting America first has to also very carefully weigh his actions because of how much power and influence we have on the planet. Because if the planet is not stable, that is not in our best interest either. It’s just not as black. I just don’t see it as black and white. But that’s not to say that we should run off and go into every war and help everybody because I do agree with you that we can only help people in so much as we are a healthy and free economy.

Josh: 00:16:35 So if you were to, and if this is a bad question, then feel free to reframe it, maybe one that’s a little bit better, but on a maybe like a scale from one to 10 or a, you know, an eight to F rating, like how would you rate Donald Trump’s performance on issues of global impact?

Julie: 00:16:54 Well, I don’t, I got, I don’t study politics very deeply, so I, you know, I’m just as accustomed to hearing, you know, you toggle, you toggle between Fox news and CNN and it’s like I’m on two different planets. You know what I mean? It’s ridiculous. I think that I would say that Donald Trump is characterized by very fast decision making and I think sometimes it’s very sloppy decision making. And I also think that a lot of the people that he surrounds himself, you know, several of the people that he’s appointed are now in jail. I also feel like, you know, a good leader surrounds himself with really solid leaders and I have questioned some of these people that he’s put in place. So I feel like he thinks that everything in the planet should be, you know, a man to man deal at the table. You know what I mean?

Julie: 00:17:42 He’s got that very rough and tumble like I’m going to, I’m going to go be best friends with, you know, the North Korean dictator and he just thinks that everything can just be like this deal. I think it’s sloppy. I think there’s been a lot of sloppiness and he’s caused a lot of like extra problems in his attempt to try to like, you know, deal with the immigration issue and deal with securing our borders and all that kind of stuff. The principles of the matter. And this is where I think we’re going to have way more common ground than people think is I, I do agree that we should secure of America like that. Like that. Like it’s not a country if it doesn’t have a border of course, right. It’s just his manner of doing it is often to me appears very impulsive and sloppy and like he’s, you know, out of bar striking a deal, forgetting that he is the leader, most powerful leader on the planet

Josh: 00:18:33 and Annette planet. So because he is the most powerful person on the planet and because he arguably has more intelligence slash insights then well for sure then any normal American person will ever, um, [inaudible] I argue the fact that Hey, maybe he knows what he’s doing when it comes to these negotiations with other countries. And I know that like recently there is this whistleblower person that came out that’s like, you know, we don’t know who Trump made the deal with, but we know that there was a formal whistle blower complaint saying that he promised something which was against whatever, whatever. Could could one argue and say we’re getting our source of that through the media, which we know is wrong. Like I don’t care what you follow, right? Like Fox news is wrong, CNN is wrong. Like we’re, they’re all skewed, right? So like we don’t actually know what’s true Donald Trump, while we’re going to get into person versus policy here in a second, but like Donald Trump clearly has had a level of success in his life financially and in the eyes of what the world deems as success. Not what I would necessarily, or maybe even you [inaudible] clearly it has had some success and negotiated deals far greater than anybody or most of them

Julie: 00:19:43 would argue. I would argue that the end him, if we look at the end of his success and then we look at the means and the process and the people that he may have hurt along the way, I would not necessarily keep that success as high as it may be. First appears.

Josh: 00:19:57 And maybe so, but let’s, let’s look at the fact that right now the America’s in this, the whole world is in this more or less a crisis, right? I mean like I would say so at least maybe not economically, but where probably on the brink of one there. Here’s a dude that he, he knows things that we don’t and while it may be bad for us, it may look bad on the outside of him meeting with Putin, which once, I don’t know why that’s such a bad thing. I didn’t have a problem when Obama met with foreign leaders. I mean, yes there are certain incidences but like meeting with Putin or meeting with, you know, the, the dictator of North Korea. Like why is that such a bad thing when we don’t actually know the context of what’s going on? Like, why are we so quick to judge?

Julie: 00:20:37 I don’t, I think, I think honestly, if I were to look at Donald Trump, cause we know that all people have good and evil inside of them. Like they all, there’s no, there’s no like good guy, bad guy. If I were to like sit down with Donald Trump and identify his superpowers as a human because we all have them, I would say probably deal making and negotiations are his superpower, right? Like, I mean that’s pretty obvious. Now whether he does it and plays fair or not is a whole different question. So I don’t think, I think that that he has used his super power in foreign relations in ways that other presidents couldn’t write. He managed to get a meeting with Kim Jong UN or however you say his name right. And he managed to do that. I, but I still do think that his behavior characteristically looks pretty, um, impulsive and sloppy and can create a lot of trouble and a lot of problems. Uh, because he’s, he’s, I see, I sometimes forget that he, I think that he forgets how much weight and consequence his behavior and his words carry.

Josh: 00:21:44 I agree with that. I do agree with that. I don’t think Donald Trump quite fully understands the magnitude of it because, and I have had this conversation before, and I would argue, because when you’re a billionaire, I think that that just like massive power becomes normal, right? So because he had such massive power beforehand and didn’t give a darn beforehand, he just got in and he was like, great. I just leveled up, right? Like I’m just gonna keep doing things the way that it was. So, and we’re going to get into that. Um, before I do that though, I do want to have both of us state and whether that’s 30 seconds or five minutes, um, everything that we like about Donald Trump as a generalized rule and then everything that we as a generalized rule, we’ll get into specifics don’t like about Donald Trump. And I’m happy to go first or have you go first on this, but let’s start with [inaudible].

Julie: 00:22:31 Okay. Um, I don’t care. I mean I’m, I can go first. I think. Um, so I have lots to say about Donald Trump, but I, what I do want to say before I launched into it is that I think where a lot of my, my personal like issue with him comes in is more in his leadership rather than his policy. I mean, I take issue with his, some of his policies. I am a registered Republican, so I am a con more conservative and have been my entire life. I don’t follow the conservative agenda all the way to the letter. There’s some key issues I different. So for from that perspective, like I don’t have as much to say about as policy as I do about his character in his leadership. And I think I would say it like this. I think that he [inaudible] is not a very good leader.

Julie: 00:23:23 And I think he also has, um, a corrupt character. And I, and I, I don’t know that it’s fair for me to make any judgments cause I’m not a doctor and I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know him very well. Well, but to me, I see a lot of delusions of grander, which, um, essentially sound’s all kinds of alarms in my head about his judgment. And so things like his doublespeak things like his errors and omissions in his facts and even just his carelessness and like checking his facts before he opens his mouth. Um, his treatment of women, um, a lot of the racist things that he says, the company that he keeps the way he’s chosen, leaders that then, you know, ended up in jail, his self adoration, things like, you know, when he like sort of gets on almost these obsessive rants about things that like elevate him. Um, and I, and at the end of the day, I also think that he really agitates peoples lowest common denominator. I look for good leaders who call people to their higher selves. And oftentimes I see Donald Trump plane to the lower common denominator. So I think that I can sum up the things that I don’t like are really in character and leadership more than they are in specific policy.

Josh: 00:24:40 Okay. So before I comment on any of that, what I’m going to do is I’m going to state where I don’t like Donald Trump, which is I think maybe something that people have not heard ever of me. Um, and so I would, I would tend to agree on some of those things. I think for me, I think that Donald Trump, um, he doesn’t know when to stop. So, so he, he knows how to make a point really well. And in some cases I don’t really care that he made the point, even though it would offend some people, but there is a line and I do not like the fact that he doesn’t know when to stop pushing it because then it just gets obsessive. Yeah. And it turns off even his supporters. So I don’t like the fact that he doesn’t know when to stop. Um, I also don’t like the fact that Donald Trump never, and you know, I see this a lot in my own life at certain times.

Josh: 00:25:28 Um, when I say like, when I say these things out loud, obviously not to the extent of this, but that Donald Trump does not bring context around a statement that in context make sense. Um, meaning that a lot of times he will say things that sound awful and derogatory, but in with provided context and with, you know, maybe some, some backstory to it I think might not be so bad, but I think he does a terrible job at bringing context around complete ideas. Um, I also do not like the fact that Donald Trump does believe that he is right on everything. Um, he, I, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him say that. I mean like he’ll make the occasional comment of like, yeah, well, yeah, we’ll see what we can do there after we talk to smart people or something like that. Or I’m going to hire the smartest people, but there’ll be nothing in me that would lead him to believe that he is a coachable human being.

Josh: 00:26:23 Um, or a person that would take wisdom from someone on something that he would not want to do. And if there’s one thing, and I’m a huge Tom Brady fan and the number one thing that everybody says about Tom Brady is that he’s the most coachable player, you know, in the NFL. Um, if there’s one thing that you know, I’ve learned in entrepreneurship is that the more coachable you are, the more success that you’re going to have. So the fact he is not coachable in any way, um, I think is a huge, huge red flag. Um, I think that also probably, it’s hard for me to say that I don’t like this about him because I, but I just think that there’s a better way to go about doing it is that I don’t like the fact that he just most people over and gets his way when he could create a win win situation.

Josh: 00:27:04 Yeah. He doesn’t seem to care about the other side. And sometimes I don’t have a problem with that because sometimes there’s not a win win situation. But I would say probably more often than not, um, there is a win win situation that could be made. But for the sake of we don’t have time. I’m the greatest America, first F everyone, and except for you know, what’s gonna make me money? He doesn’t take the time to go out upon and do that. And so I think that overall most of it, and I think we agree on this [inaudible] most of my problems with him do come from a [inaudible] character issue of who he is as a person. Um, also I do want to address the whole woman issue. Um, I do not, and we’ll never endorse or be okay with how he chooses to address a lot of women.

Josh: 00:27:50 Um, I think that if you were to ever do that to my sister, I don’t care who he was. Like I’d probably punch him in the face. Right? Even if I went to jail for it, right. I could probably couldn’t hold myself back. So to me, I believe that, you know, Don, people can call Donald Trump a racist or that he’s done all these racist things or whatever. I don’t, I don’t believe that Donald Trump is a racist and we’ll, we’ll, we can get to that here in a second. But I do believe that he has a history of treating women as less important than men eat. Even though now an office, maybe he has changed that tonality or change the, uh, some of the policies and some of the research that I’ve done on women, I mean he’s, he’s elected a lot of women in the CIA and then pass laws for women and entrepreneurship.

Josh: 00:28:35 I, I do believe that that is probably more of a PR thing than it is anything else. I don’t think that he respects women like he should. And I believe that women are just as, um, as, as any rational person I think would just as important and have just as equal of a voice as men do in any area of everything provided that they are giving the same level of commitment to it and vice versa for men. Right. Like they’re, you know, I was the times that, so I think that that’s an important thing to bring up. Those are my big issues with Donald Trump. Um, and the fact that he’s a, he’s a liar. Like he is like on a, on a media manipulation level. He will lie to manipulate people. I agree with that. So I don’t, I don’t like to look at what Donald Trump says, unfortunately. I do like to look at what he does and that’s why I think we’re, we’re going to get into, so those are where I disagree with Donald Trump and I think you and I probably agree on some of those things. I want to switch it though and actually I’ll give you time to comment on agree with a lot.

Julie: 00:29:40 I mean, you didn’t say anything that I didn’t agree with. I don’t really have anything to follow up on that.

Josh: 00:29:46 Okay. Okay, cool. What do you like about Donald Trump?

Julie: 00:29:48 Yeah. Okay. So the list was shorter. Um, when I was trying to think about the things that I like about Donald Trump. I think if I could point to one thing that I think, like I said, that he’s very good at, in, in business, I think, you know, I like the tax cuts, but I also say that like, I like what he’s done to stimulate the economy. But I say that completely ignorant of the fact that I don’t necessarily know what the longterm implications are of what he’s done. I don’t know how it’s gonna effect. And it’s really interesting to me because when presidents take credit for the state of the economy, there’s always this other side that says, yeah, but you’re not operating in a vacuum. Like, like Obama’s recession was in part because of what happened before and like that. You know what I mean?

Julie: 00:30:37 It’s like there’s like this like wave and so he’s riding you wave so to speak. So to, to take credit when things are good and then to blame other people when things are bad. It seems infantiles to me. So, but, but if I were to look at like, okay, the economy is doing well, there are tax cuts like that have, you know, helped a lot of people. Right. Although I think the Democrats would argue that the tax cuts are helping the 1% and not the middle-class. Although I don’t, I don’t know if there’s any factual basis for that cause I don’t, I haven’t studied yet. I do like the wage growth that he stimulated. I’m in wages for people and the fact that the, that unemployment has consistently gone down. Um, so I would say that those are the things that I like about him.

Julie: 00:31:20 I think he’s probably a decent negotiator and good at making deals, but I just don’t know what sort of corner he cuts in order to get it done. Because to me he seems very much like the person that the end justifies the mean the deal at all costs. Like whatever I have to do, it doesn’t matter if I have to mow the little guy over our stiff, all these contractors have money or play the system or whatever it happens to be like the end justifies the means. And sometimes that will directly benefit America, but sometimes it doesn’t matter if it does, it’s like morally it, it wasn’t the right thing to do. Um, so I would say his economic, his economic growth, um, I think he is committed to America. Whether it’s to serve his own ego or it’s whether he actually loves America. He, I know he’s committed as to whether or not is it a good idea, a good, good enough for us. I, that’s, that remains to be seen. But those are, I would say those are the things that like I could give him a thumbs up on. Okay. So economical policies and more or less negotiations. I would say that those are the things. Yeah.

Josh: 00:32:26 Okay. Okay. I do want to, I want to provide [inaudible] so I want to dive into some facts that I have written down here and about the economy because obviously the economy I think is, uh, a big selling point. In fact, it is been pretty widely recognized as that the economy is the single biggest driving factors to what people vote on in an election. Uh, whether the economy is doing good or bad. Um, these are directly from CNBC. I’m going to dive into facts here about the economy because the economy is something that I greatly like under Trump. I mean, I didn’t really have a business under Obama. Um, I was, you know, a worker under Obama but I sold life and health insurance under Obama and I worked with a lot of businesses under Obama and I saw the effects of that. This is directly from CNBC, which I think you and I can both agree is not a right leaning. Well we agree on that. Okay. Okay. So under [inaudible] and I can provide the link, I will provide it in the comments when we’re done here under uh, president Trump, he has had six consecutive quarters of economic growth that have been positive and above trend.

Josh: 00:33:31 Um, corporate profits and big business profits are up, which once again that’s a controversial issue but they are up, the stock market is at the highest it’s ever been. And for the longest bull market run that it has ever been, once again, he can’t take credit for all that because he hasn’t been office long enough, but it is up. Um, consumer confidence is at its highest level since 2004 which I think speaks volumes. Uh, the national fed Federation of independent business index, which measures this sediments for small businesses is that its second highest point ever in us history. Um, and this is the one that really actually kind of blew my mind in June of 2018 shortly after he took office about, you know, what, about a year in or so, um, there were more job openings in the U S on record then there were classified employee employable workers. Meaning there’s more jobs than there were people to fill them for the first time ever in U S history. Um, and economic and economist do tie that back to Trump. Um, 8% fewer food stamps recipients are in Trump in the first 16 months. Um, and economists are accrediting and once again as a right from CNBC are crediting better jobs and more available jobs for people.

Julie: 00:34:40 Can I, can I just say something about all this cause like I agree with you. I think his economic, his economic policy is his stronger, his, his strongest suit for sure. I do, however I, aye. I struggle sometimes with the very loose sort of like credits. Like, it’s like, Oh look, this is better, this is better, this is better. And look who’s in office. Um, and we’re like, Oh look, there’s the correlation. Because I would, I would also argue that like, he’s done good things for the economy, but I think it’s also in spite of his leadership, because the laws of economics when applied, they work like they work, whether you’re a buffoon or a hero. And it’s not necessarily as much a Testament to his leadership as much as it’s a fricking Testament to the fundamental power and strength of capitalism in democracy that Donald Trump is the sitting president and our American government is still stable and we can still stand even in spite of someone who’s as incompetent in leadership as he is as him.

Josh: 00:35:41 And we’re gonna and I want to do one more point here that I have and then I do want to address the, the differences between policy and person. The one last thing that I want to say, and I think this is a very important fact, it’s why I stated at last is that Mark Zandi, and you may remember this back from, uh, this was back in 2016 or, I’m sorry, 2015, I believe when he stated this about Trump, when he was running, he is the chief economic off a analyst at the Mooney analytics Institute, uh, openly stated that if from policies for, uh, the economy were implemented as proposed upon which they are today, um, it would cause a major and lengthy U S recession. Now, that same analyst today, now that those policies are implemented has now said that he, he, because of this, instead of there being a recession, there is now a 0.7% increase in his projected GDP rather than any form of decrease.

Josh: 00:36:39 And 0.7 doesn’t sound like a lot, but that’s on a $20 trillion, uh, estimated GDP. So, um, the reason I say all these things is because I think what a lot of people like to point to when it comes to, uh, analyzing the future effects of Donald Trump’s actions from an economic standpoint, which you brought up. I strongly disagree with most financial analysts on Donald Trump on whether or not what Donald Trump is doing is right or wrong. Aye. I firmly believe that. We have no idea because this is a guy that is super, super smart, right? That he’s the chief analytics area. Yeah. And out analytical person. I don’t thank you. Yeah, shave him. He is a top dude and he’s predicting a major recession and then Trump actually gets an office, does what he says he’s going to do and now there’s growth. And so I think that when people point to, and one of the huge problems that I have with people that are anti-Trump when it comes to his policies is that they point to experts and say, experts are predicting.

Josh: 00:37:38 And I’m like, I don’t think we can look at that. And it really bugs me when we say that’s what Trump’s policies will do. Or that’s what Trump, you know, the negative side effects of this. And my argument to that is to say, why do like I don’t think we can do that. I think we need to look at the now because I think that there is enough good and bad to look at what Trump has already done to not debate on what the future is going to look like with Trump is to debate on whether or not we like where the economy in the country and the [inaudible] the state of the countries both economically and socially is right now and make a decision based off of that. I wonder your thoughts on the future either. I mean

Julie: 00:38:12 I think if we, if we look at America in a vacuum, we don’t look at the division, we don’t look at social like we take all those other issues out and we look at just economics. The country is doing well now. There’s some like inverted curve that happened in the last several months that like predicts that we’re about to go into a big recession until we are in a recession. We’re not in a recession. So for right now, what what Donald Trump has has done either directly or indirectly through the principles of capitalism and democracy. He has stimulated the economy and I would totally give him that, you know, as much credit as I think he deserves in, in that area, in that arena.

Josh: 00:38:52 Okay. So let’s, let’s separate policy in person now cause I think we’ve done a pretty good job of it. I want to talk more person if it’s alright with you. I want to take the lead on this one and I want to state my single biggest problem with people that are anti-Trump and my debate back to that because I’m, I’m pretty passionate about this one and it’s not something that I’m going to be easily convinced of otherwise. And I definitely want to know your opinions on this, but I think I need to bring some context around. Is that all right? Okay. So when it comes to Trump, the person I admitted earlier, I don’t like Trump as a human being in the sense of he’s not a role model, he’s not great with room and he’s a liar. He’s all those things. However, my argument to why Trump, I genuinely believe that Trump was probably the greatest thing to happen in American politics in the last 20, 30 years.

Josh: 00:39:40 Okay. The reason I believe that is because I believe that the foundation of having a country first and foremost is not, uh, whether or not gay marriage is a problem or whether or not people are nice to each other. Yes, those are important things. However, I don’t think we’re even able to have a discussion on whether, you know, gay marriage or abortion or whatever any socialists are that you want to argue unless you actually have a country that is alive and well. And so from a military and economic standpoint and from an actual saving the country standpoint, I believe that Trump came in, woke up America, woke up people to the political mess that we are in. I think that people pre-Trump were completely numb that no, like nobody, none of my friends ever wanted anything to do with politics. I was the weird one for being involved in politics and people were like, I don’t care.

Josh: 00:40:38 I’m not registered to vote. I don’t want to do this. And we had a country that under Obama, whatever you think of Obama, and I think that Obama was probably the one of the most presidential people that we’ve ever had an office from a character standpoint, right? But from a policy standpoint, like I disagreed with a lot of what Obama did. He, Obamacare was a disaster. Healthcare was going out of control. The economy was not doing the greatest. And I don’t think it was as bad as some people think, but like there was a lot of negative things happening, but people were numb to it. And people, I am hugely, hugely anti-socialist. I am hugely anti-communism and I will defend Liberty and capitalism to, to the death. And so for me, I go and say America, the idea of America, capitalism, the idea of the free market and the idea that you and I should be able to have a discussion and that personal responsibility needs to take hold and that I shouldn’t have to pay for your crap and you shouldn’t have to pay for Mike crap.

Josh: 00:41:28 We should go out and do that. That was at an absolute fundamental compromise and that we were losing that. And so I believe that the reason Trump is so, it was so necessary and so needed. And the reason that I can look past a lot of really crappy character flaws that are in them is not because that Trump is the best president, but that Trump was the best possible president for the time that we were in. Not as a general rule, if economy, the economy was doing well, if America was doing well, if we were healthy, if we didn’t have civil unrest, like we didn’t have civil, we had civil unrest before Trump got into office. Did he amplify it? Yes, but what Trump did is he gave America a backbone again and what people like, I always go back to the example of like, you know, you prune the thorn Bush or you peruse the RO prune the rosebush for it to come back even bigger.

Josh: 00:42:18 Like there’s gotta be change, there’s going to be back and there will never be changed without negative repercussion. Like there’s no thing that has ever happened in American history or or world history ever where change, pleased everyone and drastic change that was needed to not piss off a lot of people and so I see Trump as the dude that came in that was like our country is going to literally not exist and if less we do something, we’ve got to come in and change things. So he came in, he woke up everybody. He was like, I’m going to do it, whatever, whenever I want to do and I’m like, Hey, he’s doing that in favor of principles upon which I agree with on the principles of a free market, a free economy and something that built this country. Therefore I don’t think America’s going to fall apart under Donald Trump for four years or eight years.

Josh: 00:43:08 And I think that anything that he would do socially can be undone and that we can come together and that, you know what, if a Democrat gets voted in in 2020 I’m going to be fully supportive of that Democrat and hope he wins. I might not like him, but I’m going to support him because I would want the same thing for Donald Trump. And so what I don’t understand is people are like Donald Trump’s evil. Donald Trump’s terrible. He’s turned all these different things. But I’m like, can you imagine if Hillary Clinton was president? And not from, not from a woman’s standpoint or a democratic standpoint, but from a policy standpoint, from a country standpoint, I think we wouldn’t, we wouldn’t have borders. We wouldn’t have a country. We wouldn’t have an economy. We wouldn’t have a military. Like we wouldn’t have so many of the things that made us who we are today.

Josh: 00:43:47 And so for me, I go, yes, racism is something that needs to be addressed. Yes, women’s rights and abortion is something that needs to be addressed. Yes, religious liberties and gay marriage and and gun control. These are all things that need to be addressed, but we won’t even be able to address them unless we had someone step in common like Donald Trump did and say F you to everyone. I’m going to get America back back on the map. Let’s deal with the repercussions of that later. And so for me, I don’t see anything. And, and I guess this is more of a question to you too, I don’t see anything that Donald Trump has done that is so bad that number one can’t be reversed or number two puts America in a place that hurts everybody else so much that they no longer respect America anymore. Because everybody that I talk to in business and everybody

Josh: 00:44:32 that I talk to in business, like when you know, you’re sitting in the lounge at the airport or whatever. Yeah. Talk to businessmen. Like I’m like, Hey, what do you see over in Dubai? I talked to a lady who has a business over in Dubai and she’s like, we love Trump. He’s doing awesome things for us over there. So I look at that and I go, uh, I can overlook four years of, yeah, not so great character and four years of a maniac or even eight years of a maniac, because now guess what’s most likely gonna happen? The next person that’s coming in is going to be the exact opposite of Trump. And now we can deal with the social issues that need to be there. Now we can deal with the healing of it, which I believe social issues and things of that nature need to start at the church level, the family level, the local level. Anyway. So why is Trump so bad if he’s doing all the good that I just stated? Or do you completely disagree?

Julie: 00:45:22 I think the problem with my response is that it, it veers off into another very difficult waters, which is religious waters and comes from my personal belief system. Um, so first of all, I think that the dire emergency level sort of rhetoric that Donald Trump has about how our country was about to fall apart, uh, was very, very good marketing and very overdramatized. And I don’t think that he was rescuing a country on the brink of utter and complete extinction and disaster. So I think that in order to be heralded as the hero, I think you have to agitate demand. I mean that’s marketing one Oh one. So I think that’s the first problem that I see with all of it is like, you know, he didn’t write in on his white horse and save America from ultimate extinction.

Julie: 00:46:09 So that was that. That would be the first thing. Second thing is I have a very strong faith in God and in, you know, the sense of like there is a reason, there’s always a reason we don’t necessarily see the reason. Um, I had a same growing up, which was God can win with a pair of twos in, in a poker game. Right? And so like you give God a pair of shoes, you give him a Royal flush, you give them, you know, all the ACEs in the world. He can make it win no matter what. So to your point about Donald Trump shaking things up, I think you’re right. I think he did do that. And I think I would never, it’s like you would never say, Oh, it’s like when someone like gets cancer or they lose a kid or they have like a horrible tragedy, you’d never go to them and be like, Oh thank God that happened.

Julie: 00:46:56 But then you watch as God takes all that and he redeems it and he turns it into something amazing. And so for me it’s not like, Oh thank God Trump became president. It was like, Oh shoot Trump, he became president. Right? Like he is not a good character. He is not a reflection of your leadership, but incomes like sovereignty of, of like, Hey, this is also going to have a silver lining because everything has, is has a silver lining. And I would agree with you. I think that Trump entering office basically ripped the curtain back and showed us just how unbelievably racially divided we still are. I mean he literally brought all, all of the, not like white nationalists like, like he like incited and now you can’t ignore it. Like where before, and I was reading an articles like before Trump, like in, you know, the media would talk about like racially charged rhetoric or whatever.

Julie: 00:47:57 And we’ve sort of danced around this issue of race. And it was very hard because, you know, Obama was president and it was like, okay, well we’re not racist anymore. Look, we have a black president. And so there was, we didn’t read, we were really not being honest with just how broken of a country we still are because we had this sort of like nice look. And then Donald Trump’s comes in and now nobody can argue that we are a racially divided country. I mean like no more racially charged rhetoric. It’s just like out and out racism. And so in a lot of ways Trump did actually like stir the water and brought to the surface all the junk that’s really still there in our country. I mean, I think he also incited and agitated a lot of it, eh, not, I don’t even think he intended to. I think just his character did. Um, and in creating this incredible us versus them mentality. I mean in marketing we talk about like, uh, throwing rocks and like creating this polarization. And he did it to a point where he used like fear. The fear-mongering is just at an all time high. And so I agree that he shook up

Josh: 00:49:04 but, but okay, but the fearmongering how so? Because I could, whenever I hear that, the first thing that I assume, and once again this is assumption here, but based on my experience, when I hear the word fear-mongering, the first thing that I assume people are meaning is that people are afraid of Trump or afraid of white supremacists or something like that or whatever. When [inaudible] like I understand that I’m white and that that in and of itself is a total [inaudible] paradigm shift compared to if you were black or any other form of, you know, human being. But [inaudible] Juliet, like I posted a picture in front of Trump tower and I had absolutely no political lingo in that whatsoever. I talked about Trump as a marketer and what we can learn from him on branding. And I was told like, go after yourself, go to hell. If I saw you, I would, I would slap you. I hope you die. I’m glad your brother died because you deserved it for, for, you know, supporting Trump. Like, so like I look at this and I go, I know a lot of people that support Trump and I’ve never heard that from them ever. Now. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because I’m sure it does, but fear-mongering, like how do you

Julie: 00:50:10 from Pez done that. Like when he talks about the wall and the border and, and he references Mexicans and like, you know, inciting this idea that like if we don’t get that wall up, you know, our country is going to go extinct because like, everyone’s going to come in and kill and pillage our children and serve drugs to all of our, you know, wives and like, he, like Donald Trump is rarely in the middle. Like rarely does he carry any sort of moderation. And I agree that he plays these extremes. I mean, just the exaggeration that he does and then it floats out into the media. And then CNN, which seems like their entire job has now become to discredit Donald Trump. Like they’ve, we’ve lost a lot of credibility in my mind because this is all they do now is take his words and just like, I mean, that’s like a 24 hour news cycle.

Speaker 3: 00:50:59 But the problem is that the masses listen to the news as if it’s real news. And so like he, he like, I think in [inaudible] one word about how like, Oh, you know, we don’t have the wall, the Mexicans are gonna destroy us. And then CNN is pumping it into the ears of the mass of the, of the masses who are not listening carefully. And they’re like, Oh shoot. Like it’s true. Like if Donald Trump hasn’t put that wall up, we’re all going to be dead in two years. Like, and he does this constantly with all of the issues.

Josh: 00:51:31 So, so let’s talk about specifically the wall issue and the radicular that Trump uses. I just listened to and Russell, and I’m not trying to bring Russel into this discussion, but I just listened to Russell talk as Steve Larson’s event about playing the platforms, right? He’s like, listen, you’ve got to know the intent of the platform. If you want to win on the platform, right? It’s a party. You go there. Social media, that’s what it is. Um, the media, even before Trump got into office, I think the media, Fox news had unfair criticism of Barack Obama, right? I didn’t like Obama, but I think that the right wingers, uh, had unfair criticism of Obama and the left wingers had unfair, supportive Obama. So this happened long before Trump got into office. Trump simply played the media at their game. And so I’m sitting here going, okay, um, yes, I know Trump uses crazy rhetoric, but there’s kind of some truth to what he’s saying. And if [inaudible] doesn’t take it to the extreme, they’re not going to talk about it. And I’m like, I think there’s got to be a wall. And I think there’s gotta be like illegal path to citizenship. And I don’t think we can just let illegals in.

Josh: 00:52:45 Like, listen, I’m not anti-immigrant. So like so, so he’s playing the game like he’s got to do it. And so what I’m like is like, there is no other option like, except to sit down and get nothing done. And so I look at Trump and I go, yeah, he’s an a hole. Like I get it. And yes he’s being manipulative because he’s playing extremes. But does he have any other option?

Julie: 00:53:08 Yeah, I mean I again, it’s like there’s nothing, there’s, there’s truth and then there’s a lie and then there’s the worst, which is a half truth. Right. And like, so like for example, Donald Trump just bragging about how much wall has already been built. And it was crazy to me that wall that you described on the campaign trail, you know, a thousand feet tall concrete, like, you know, he went and saw the, the plan in California and you know, and the bill that actually was passed is one that’s like allowing like see-through fence, like levy fencing and bollard fencing and also like replacing like existing fencing. So this idea of like a thousand miles of concrete wall are going to be built by then in 2020 and it’s like actually probably you’re going to have like maybe 500 miles of like levied fencing and maybe 110 of those miles are new. The rest is just replacement. And is that progress? Yes. Is he completely puffing himself up and exaggerating his success on this to hold his own ego? 100%

Josh: 00:54:13 yes, but, but, and this is a battle, a question of end justifying the means I suppose. But I’m like, that was absolutely needed and I absolutely support the wall and aye. It is not because I hate Mexicans or any other form of, into immigration. In fact, I think that we should allow immigration, but it’s absolutely need to be documented. So I’m like, if Trump would have gone in and been like, Hey, we should get a hundred miles of [inaudible] fencing put in at the border, no one will take them seriously. And they’d be like, okay, no, like whatever. It would never have gone through. So Trump takes it to the extreme and gets done. What needs to get done and he’s willing to take that loss for it. And now we get to look at that and go, Oh, now we’re aware of what’s actually happening there. So like in my mind I’m like, uh, yeah, he exaggerated it. Yeah. He puffed himself up about it, but we already know he was an egotistical maniac. He’s going to be gone in four years or eight years. He dealt the wall that we now in the wall and uh,

Julie: 00:55:12 we don’t, we don’t even have, well it’s not done yet, but, and number two, the reality is that the path to immigration is not solved with a wall. Yeah. Well it’s honestly, it’s like a big braggadocious sort of symptom and the problem is way deeper. I mean, listen, I just went through the entire immigration process. My husband is from Romania. He had had to do the path of documentation. Like I did the whole thing. I went to the immigration. I had to like do it. Like I did the whole thing. Like, and I am totally for illegal path to immigration. I think that, that our country is founded on immigrants. And I think that people should be able to make their way in. I do know that a lot. There’s a lot of people that want to be in this country that can’t figure out how to find that legal path. Like I have, you know, like my husband’s a soccer coach and a lot of the soccer coaches come on, they’d come on these temporary work visas, they want to stay in the country, they don’t know how to do it.

Julie: 00:56:05 They’re trying to find it and they can’t and they feel stuck and they feel trapped and they feel like they have to let go, you know, do fraudulent marriages and other things like that to try to get in. And I get it. And it’s hard, but like at the end of the day, you can’t just let anybody and everybody in the country who wants to come in. I get it. Like I get it. And I agree you, but I, but I do think that the actual issue is not being solved because I think his, I think his ego leads with everything. And I like, he’s so focused really the yes, I know all. But like we also like we also can’t actually build a wall in any of the places along the border like this. You know, it’s just, I don’t know. Simplifies

Josh: 00:56:48 and, and I please, please provide context around this question. If the answer is yes, if you feel it’s necessary, but

Julie: 00:56:55 we need a board. Yes, of course. Yes we do. But I also would say I would, I would qualify that by saying yes, I don’t know what the actual border of the United States in Mexico looks like. I do not know how realistic it is to get a border all the way around. I don’t, no. What kind of where? But I also think that that’s [inaudible] like not really the crux of the issue.

Josh: 00:57:18 Okay. So sometimes in issues there are pieces to an issue that it’s, it in and of itself doesn’t solve the real issue. But it is an absolute turning point to making it possible. And I’m going to use, and I don’t want to go into this topic yet, but I’m gonna use the example of gay marriage in this because one of the big huge issues that allowed gay marriage to get to where it’s at today, and once again, I’m not not taking a stance on this right now, but was because they started to change the lingo in the laws, right? And so I remember this as a huge debate because my parents who leave can leave conservative or lean conservative. And a lot of my friends growing up, they were pretty anti gay marriage and they fought this issue tooth and nail. They’re like, you know, and I’m not talking about my parents, I’m talking about in general, like, like, Hey, if we let this happen, that’s going to be the turning point that allows gay marriage to become a thing. And that’s bad. And once again, I want to clarify, I’m not taking that stance, just this. And so everything’s stemmed out of this little seemingly little issue. But once that happened, then it opened the doors to all this.

Josh: 00:58:24 I would argue to say, listen, is a wall going to solve illegal immigration? No. However, building a wall is going to send a message. [inaudible] give us the turning point that we need to say that we are serious about making this happen. Because I’m gonna debate this from the democratic standpoint. If I’m a Democrat right now and I really wanted to see immigration reform, wouldn’t it make way more sense to be like, yes, put up the wall. Why? Because if I give Donald Trump his wall and I give the Republicans their wall, now we have to talk about the immigration issue and we have to talk about how it’s a pain in the freaking butt to get [inaudible] giving goods into the country. So wouldn’t that bring awareness to it? I don’t understand why. I mean like I know Donald Trump is puffed up and he’s taking egotistical credit for it, but to me [inaudible] that seems pretty minute in the grand scheme. I don’t know that I have like, I don’t know that I know enough to give you an answer. I, I can say that I agree with you that we need to secure our borders. We do. We 100% need to secure our borders. I don’t know what that means though. I don’t know that is the outcome, the outcome secure borders

Julie: 00:59:31 approach. I don’t know. I, I like, I haven’t studied it enough to know I and I, and I do think I, I get what you’re saying that like the building of the wall becomes this almost symbolic sort of message in the sand of like, you know, we are, and, and I, I remember watching, and I know some people will say that that was all skewed too, but I remember watching the, um, the documentary about Cambridge Analytica and like they had to pick, yeah. They had to pick the issues that he was gonna like beat on a drum. Right? And it was almost like in marketing, we look for the hooks, right? We look for the hooks that are gonna like appeal to the masses that are going to get attention and build the wall, build the wall, crooked Hillary. These things like these were almost like, these were like issues that were seated in the bed of campaign, right?

Julie: 01:00:19 And it was like, all right, let’s figure out the hooks that are gonna get that rally cry that are going to create that sort of us versus them. And so as much as like Donald Trump makes it sound like it’s his life’s work to build a wall, like I’m not falling for it, it was a campaign strategy created and build the wall sounds really, really good when you champion a campaign and now it’s become this sort of like sword to die on thing. And I just, I don’t know how, how effective it really is. I just don’t know. But I do know that, that yes, we need secure borders. Yes, we need a legal path to immigration. And yes, build the wall was 1000% a marketing campaign strategy to chat.

Josh: 01:00:58 So let me come at you from a marketing perspective here. You’re a marketer, I’m a marketer. Uh, we’re both pretty good at getting attention and you had even more success by far than I have, which congratulations by the way, I heard your story at funnel hacking live two years ago. It was incredibly touching and wow, like props to you seriously. Um, we kind of do the same thing when we’re building businesses and like it would be difficult to argue [inaudible] and maybe you can, and I’m open to hearing this as you know, as you will. Like it would be if difficult to argue that, you know, we are any morally like our message of using hooks and convincing people and breaking down false beliefs to getting them to buy our stuff or buy into our movement or you know, everything of those things, which I do you do Russell, duh. I mean like we all do it. It is any morally different than what Donald Trump did with the wall. Yes. It’s at a much greater scale. So there’s going to be much more polarity, but you know, you know it and you look at you, Dan Henry, Steve Larson, Russell Brunson meet like we’ve all had polarity and hatred around us. And so I’m saying like, yeah, is that a much greater level but can we really be all that matters? Donald Trump for he just did it better than anybody else.

Julie: 01:02:11 Um, like if I’m putting out a hook for a course that I know is going to solve the problem. Yeah. Like I feel like that’s an, that’s marketing integrity cause I’m gonna use that. I’m gonna use that tactic to hook people in. I’m going to give them what they need. Their problem is going to be solved. And it’s, you know, the problem comes in when you use these hooks and then you’re not able to actually deliver on what you said or what you said was not actually in their best interest or not actually the solution to their problem. And I’m not saying that a wall is not the solution to the problem. I’m saying, I don’t know. I don’t know. But I’m just saying like the more, you know, and Steven talks about this all the time, like the importance of ethics in marketing. If you are going to use these NLP strategies and hooks and all these things like you sure as hell better have good ethics and we can probably both argue that Donald Trump’s ethics are not super high on his priority list.

Josh: 01:03:04 I, I, and I will not argue that. Right. I would agree with that 100%. But Hmm, if I asked this question, we’re going to have to go into, I was going to say, but if that’s what the people wanted, but then just gonna say you didn’t win the popular votes, I’m not going to go there. Um, because that’s a conversation. I don’t think we have time for. Um, like let’s, um, with the wall specifically, there has been a huge argument around how the current immigrants that are coming through the border are being handled and um, you know, there’s the accusation of Trump putting people in cages. Actually, I want to address this. If you’re okay with this, I really, really want to address this because this is something that I get ridiculed for probably single-handedly more than any other thing of my support for Trump is Josh. How could you possibly support someone that that supports putting children in cages and separate whatever. I don’t know that I have done enough

Julie: 01:03:57 study on what’s happened to be able to, to argue. Okay.

Josh: 01:04:00 Okay. Okay. Then let’s not discuss. I mean that’s not argue that I want for those people that believe that I would like for you to look and I’m going to post it in the comments afterwards. I will provide links to all these. So please go look at these. There is a, there is documented a documented law. You can find this on CNBC, you can find this on you can find this when you look at any of the law, like any of the law places, Trump signed an executive order into law that says, and I have it here somewhere, um, of all my policies, like I’ll drop the specific work cause I have so many tabs open. I’m not going to take the time to find it. That within whatever legal means possible, we need to keep families and children together. Like that is an actual law in effect.

Josh: 01:04:46 And the only time that we are allowed there are not supposed to do that if it is legal or it is going against legal laws and that we’re arresting someone for doing something actually illegal like a violent crime. That is when we’re allowed to separate children from their families. Now that law that allowed us to get children and put children in cages or you know, the blown up proportion of that was actually started under Obama and I’m not here to blame Obama, right? Like I’m not, I’m not, it’s not Obama attack and Obama’s actual like uh, administration, his board of directors, whatever it’s called, Indian ministration. There is video evidence of him being down there walking past children in cages while in cages it, they’re big rooms that happen to have like a cage door on them. It’s not like these little tiny cages [inaudible] not doing anything about it.

Josh: 01:05:39 And so I have a really, really hard time when I’m like, I’ve looked and if someone has evidence of this, please provide it. There is no documented evidence that Obama signed anything or that Democrats, when they had controls signed anything into effect that says, let’s keep children and family together. And Donald Trump has signed a law into effect to say with whatever legal means possible, let’s keep them together unless they have committed an actual illegal activity upon which we should need to separate them for. And so I have a really hard time understanding why people think that it is a bad thing to keep people at the border or to keep people in these like places. And maybe this is something that you could speak on maybe a little bit more educated about like, yeah, there’s people [inaudible] whatever you want to call them. Big huge camps or rooms or whatever.

Josh: 01:06:28 We’re, we’re keeping them and giving them housing and supplies because they’re illegals and yes, we’re not letting them into the country. And yes, we’re keeping them in a big cage, if you will. But it’s not like we’re not giving them the freedom to go back to where they came from. And I’m not saying they need to. What I’m saying is why do people have, and maybe you don’t, but I would like to know why do people have such a problem with America and Donald Trump and me being like, Hey, uh, if you’re coming to the country illegally and we catch you, we’re gonna hold you. We’re not going to kill you. We’re not even shipping you back. We’re literally providing you housing and food and shelter, like drinks to keep you alive. Why we figured this out. And if it takes five years, it takes five years. But you chose to come here.

Julie: 01:07:11 I dunno. I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t, I don’t have an answer for you because I don’t, I’ve never made the, I’ve never like made the argument. I’ve never, I haven’t studied it. I’ve seen the PR, I’ve seen all the news. I don’t know how much of it is propaganda. I don’t know how much of it is taken out of context. Like, I haven’t actually done enough research to give you any sort of like intelligent answer.

Josh: 01:07:32 Okay. So along the lines of this topic, I wanted to touch on support of, I want to talk specifically about The Bahamas, The Bahamas. Yeah. And the hurricane that just went through The Bahamas, I’m sure you’re familiar with that. Correct. So Donald Trump came out and this is causing lots and lots of debates and this is more of an opinion thing maybe rather than a factual policy debate. But Donald Trump came out and said basically doubled down on the fact that he’s not going to let people have The Bahamas that are not us citizens come into the U S after uh, the Bahama after. I mean, it is terrible down there. I’m not sure if you’ve seen some of the pictures, like it is completely destroyed. It is awful. He has said, listen, we’re not going to let those people come into United States. We will send aid down there. We will send help down there, but we’re not letting them come into the United States just because their homes got knocked out.

Josh: 01:08:19 People freaked out. And I was like, I don’t see why it’s bad. I got crucified for saying that on Instagram. And I’m asking, I’m curious from your political beliefs, do you believe, because in my, in my head I go, that seems pretty logical. Why would we let them into our country? Why don’t we just go down there and help him? Like why don’t we help them rebuild and yeah, people are like, no, we’re America. We should open our things and let these people in. Do you think that we should let people in and at case of extreme circumstances like The Bahamas or do you think we should

Julie: 01:08:47 very difficult discussion because it’s hard to look at human suffering and turn okay. Turned your back so to speak. Even though I would argue we’re not turning our back entirely because we are sending aid and supplies. Um, I don’t really understand asylum and I don’t understand refugee status. I don’t really know how those laws are created because I understand the idea that if we say to anybody in trouble, come in, come in. We end up with every, everybody, every single problem around the globe comes into our country and now we still have a problem and we just have a lot of more people. So like if you carry that line of thinking, the open hearted, open door policy, it doesn’t carry to scale. Like it doesn’t work because at some point you’re overrun with refugees and people seeking asylum and you can’t solve the problem. It’s this, this whole thing of like put your own oxygen mask on before you can help others.

Julie: 01:09:47 At the same time, I also understand the difference between operating on the spirit of the law, the letter of the law. I think that the best course of action is for us to provide as much aid as we can to help them rebuild their Homeland. That’s in my, in my head, that’s teaching Amanda fish rather than bringing them into America and feeding them fish because that’s a temporary solution. Um, if that means that like, but then, but then I say that all in my perfectly like little white privileged like box over here. And if I went to The Bahamas and saw children dying on the street, I sure as heck with stuff stuffed them all on my jacket and illegally pulled them across the border and not have any moral issues with it whatsoever. These are difficult issues that I think are not black and white. I don’t know how to answer that. I think people get very emotional on both sides. I think that like, it’s very logical what Donald Trump is saying. I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t know what the answer is.

Josh: 01:10:47 So let me ask you this, and this is when I’m actually, I think this will be a really good question. Um, in business there is a time to focus on certain things. You’re not focusing on, you know, branding and whatever. If you don’t have products in place yet, you don’t have, you can’t scale without systems. Right? And so like there’s, you can’t focus on everything at once, nor is one single person good at everything. And so, um, you, you would, some you, I’m, you’ve hired a coach or a mentor to come in. I know, I know you just coming in, like revamp your business basically. I think you’ve been with sharpen and Russell and like stuff like that. Like well they’ll come in and be like, do this, this and this and rip it all up and you know, go here so you can’t fix everything at once.

Josh: 01:11:27 In my head I’m like, same thing applies to the world. But in this, for your case, the American Comerica as a whole, you got to pick and choose your battles and so you have to have this, and it kind of goes back to what we were saying earlier, but like you kind of have to have this ruthlessness come in and shake some things up and, and go and do the things and then fix the issues. So my question is, is while aye [inaudible] tend to probably more disagree with your point, I think, I think you have a point, but I disagree with maybe the fact that the country wasn’t going to crap before Donald Trump came in. Like I think the country is pretty bad. Like, maybe not as, it was, certainly wasn’t as bad as Donald Trump made it out to be, but we were certainly not headed in a great direction, uh, economically and, and, and, and other places.

Josh: 01:12:09 So fast forward, it’s hard to do this, but fast forward past Donald Trump’s presidency and assuming that the economy stays well and that things go as we think they’re going to go here and you know, the next, the short term between now and the election cycle and let’s assume a Democrat gets in or let’s assume somebody else besides Donald Trump takes office and now their focus now is more on the social issues now on creating unity and things of that nature, which by the way, I would be very much supportive of, um, would you say that Donald Trump coming in and being president for the term that he was president and the things that he did economically and, and politically in, in things that you would agree with justifies the fact that she wasn’t a whole and was, you know, a maniac. But at least he got those things done. And thankfully it didn’t cause, you know, demise to the entire country as a whole. If we were able to, if, if we’re able to go and turn that around and become United again. Or are you like Donald Trump’s a bad idea,

Julie: 01:13:14 we’re going to recover from a lot of the division that has been sown in the last several years. I really do. I don’t know what it’s gonna look like. I don’t, I, I am not typically a person that says the end justifies the means. And you’ll see that, you’ll see that character trait in me in a lot of ways. I am not as aggressive of a marketer in business as a lot of marketers are because I struggle with the end justifies the means. And like I said before, I have a personal like religious belief system that believes that all things can be, can be redeemed, reused, like all of it. Like, and so I, I have full faith that like in our country and the people that like we can rise even in the midst of poor leadership, we can, we can thrive on. And I, so I believe that truly. And so to say, was it worth it? Like I, I just think, I don’t know. I don’t know that it was

Josh: 01:14:14 okay. Um, I want to move to social issues, which I think is where we’re going to more strongly disagree, which I’m actually pretty excited for it because I, I do want to hear your issues on this, um, particularly the abortion. But before, before we kind of do that and kind of set the tone for all of this, um, I believe that the job, and this is Ben Shapiro believes this way, I’m sure you know who Ben Shapiro is. Um, you know, pretty libertarian and, and out there, um, I’m in alignment in agreement with a lot of what he says and not everything, but, um, I believe that the job of the federal government and not even the United States president specifically, but the federal government is too number one, protect us militarily and to help, uh, grow economically. I don’t believe that the federal government has much roll outside of that.

Josh: 01:15:05 Now. Obviously they do, but I don’t believe they’re supposed to. Um, help us build the roads, keep us safe from foreign and domestic invaders and things like that, uh, support us economically, even if that’s on foreign trade and orcas tricky there. But overall, I think the government should not have, say in social issue in a lot of social issues. I think that the government that should have any form of state and social issues is a local government. I think that schooling and a lot of, uh, social issues should be solved at the state level and at the local level and that the government should pretty much stay out of everything. And so as we move into this topic of, I’m going to say specifically abortion here and, and um, you know, we’re not gonna talk about guns. It’s, you know, we, we’ve kind of agreed that that’s a whole nother topic that, you know, we don’t want to get into.

Josh: 01:15:49 So, you know, on the topic of abortion, on the topic of, did you take gay marriage kind of some of those in or not so much clear. Okay. Okay. So I, I believe that the government should stay out of gay marriage. I believe that the government should stay out of religion. I believe that the government should pretty much stay out of schooling. Um, I understand that that’s a tricky one, but like, you know, I think the government should stay out of things as much as possible because I think that everything, the government touches inevitably spills and sucks and that the private sector as a general rule, especially in health care as well, um, overwhelmingly favors the private sector and the private sector does better. Um, would you agree, and I don’t want to go into specifics on abortion and gay marriage, that’s the very next thing we’re going to get to. But as a general rule, do you believe that the job of the federal government are those things? Do you believe that the state should be more involved or where is your stance on the roles of the federal versus the [inaudible]?

Julie: 01:16:39 Yeah, so as, uh, as a Republican, I believe less government, not more, right? That’s my, my typical stance. So less involved. The federal government, obviously the federal government, the more it tries to get involved with granular issues, uh, the less optimized it becomes. Obviously in a free capitalist. Do you know, democracy competition helps make things better. And in the private sector we all compete and things get better. And I, I fully support that as far as like the difference between federal and state. Um, obviously when you’re dealing with local governments, you know, who have more day to day involvement in, in the town, you know, it would be hard for a local government to have no say cause then like then what’s the point? Might as well not have a local government or a state government. We just should have a federal one. Right. But then, but then, you know, we’re not like we’re in a fallen world. Like I don’t think that that would work. Right. So, um, obviously I think local governments need to have a little bit more jurisdiction because they’re in the more day to day. But still I am conservative. Like I prefer less government and more private sector than I do the other way around.

Josh: 01:17:50 Okay. So, um, the last two topics that I want to touch on and guys, by the way, if you guys are watching on the live stream, thank you. Um, if you could leave your comments down below, we’re going to do a Q and a time quick at the end real quick just to address any major questions. Uh, so comment your questions down below. Hit the like button, the love button share. You guys know the drill. Um, the two last topics that I want to get onto our women’s rights specifically with abortion and you know, things of that nature and then, uh, healthcare in the sense of should it be privatized or centralized with the governments and should the government provide that and it is healthcare, right? Um, when it comes to abortion, I don’t think, like, I don’t, I don’t disagree with Trump on a whole lot of things in abortion wise and I’m going to lightly state my stance on abortion and I genuinely wants to hear you from a woman’s perspective, understanding that I am not a woman and I’m very aware of that.

Josh: 01:18:42 I have four sisters, I have a mother. Um, I have, you know, lots of friends that are women and, and you know, and vote or whatnot on both sides of the aisle, right? Um, I grew up conservative abortion is bad, right? Like, that’s pretty much a general consumption on the conservative, especially the religious conservative side of things. Abortion is murder. And, um, I believe that all humans should have a right to determine what goes on with their body. Um, I don’t think that vaccines should be mandatory. I don’t think that, um, you know, you should bet ever be forced to have to do anything or put anything into your body. My big dilemma [inaudible] as a [inaudible] Christian is I believe that life is precious and that, um, w the, the nature of humans and the way that we are created is that women carry and create life, right? Like, I mean, they’re the ones that ultimately do that. However, when a life form is inside of another human’s body, um, things get very, very complicated very quickly. I am always going to default to personal responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. And so if you as a woman shoes and [inaudible], I understand that this is coming from a dude, I get it. So correct me if I’m wrong here, but if you choose to have sex with and you get pregnant in or out of wedlock, but most of the time it’s out of wedlock when this happens and you want to abort that child, you had a choice whether or not to have sex with that person. And even if it was protected and it was an accident, you made that decision on top of that I am actually okay with, or maybe you’re not okay with it, but I would support a woman’s choice to abort a child before they had a heartbeat. But I have a really hard time and I 100% agree with Trump when he’s like, yo Morrison isn’t cool and if it’s got a heartbeat. No. And even Trump said that the Alabama bill, which by the way I disagree with says that in the case of rape and incest like that should, there should be exceptions for that. And I agree that there should be, but what I’m saying is if you make a choice [inaudible] have a child, whether it’s on accident or on purpose, you did that act, you forfeit your right once that child becomes alive to determine whether or not what you’re going to do with your body.

Julie: 01:21:18 Because now it’s not your body. There’s something else in the, you know what I mean? Like there’s another human in there. And so I’m curious to know, I know you’re religious, I know that, you know, I’ve read your post about this and I think you’re very well articulated on this. I know it’s a hard issue, but how could you possibly justify an abortion where the person is alive and like, what’s your stance on a woman’s right with that? Um, people probably aren’t gonna like my answer because it’s not very black and white. So I want to preface this, my entire rebuttal by saying [inaudible]. I had three children when I was 2124 and 26 the third child was born with a very serious heart defect and almost died. I went into a very, very long several months of postpartum depression and dealing with three kids and I vowed at age 26 that I would never have another baby again because it about pushed me over the edge.

Julie: 01:22:14 Fast forward to age 34 and I was divorced or I was getting divorced and I had met who is now my husband Alex, and I was on birth control and I got pregnant and after having three and like it, and I will tell you that the fourth pregnancy fundamentally altered my body forever. Choosing to have that baby. I made the choice to carry that baby to term because I know I have personal belief. I I believe in God. Like I said, I knew that there was a reason. I was obviously sacrificing my own health to some degree to bring that baby into the world. I had done the responsible thing by being on birth control and it didn’t work. I have nothing but 1000% empathy for women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. I do not think that late term abortions and all these kinds of like, I don’t, I don’t agree with any of it.

Julie: 01:23:12 Like, and any mother who’s had a child will know, like, you know, the, the, the sanctity of life. That said, I also feel like I am not the ultimate judge and jury of what happens in a woman’s body and the situation that she’s in. So of course, if, if I, if I could like have my way and snap my fingers, I would, I would make unwanted pregnancy no more. Right. Because that would just be the, that would be the ultimate solution is just that every pregnancy is a wanted pregnancy. But unfortunately we live in a fallen world where women are brutally right all the time and find themselves. Yeah. Pregnant. And so, you know, I don’t know what the answer is. I, I err on the side of giving the woman the choice because I, I personally know how difficult and how much sacrifice it is.

Julie: 01:24:07 And I know that a lot of women get pregnant and have no intention of getting pregnant and did all the right things to avoid it and still find themselves pregnant. And I think that the extremist view would be like, well, then don’t have sex. Right. And so then what? We should all live a life of celibacy if we want to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. I mean, you take your argument to the extreme, I mean not your argument, but the pro, you know? Right. Yup. I think that ultimately if we like step back for a second from the abortion issue and we look at men and women and we look at the, the, the focus on women versus men, the truth is that a woman can bring one unwanted baby into the world a year and a man, it can be responsible for 365 plus unwanted babies a year.

Josh: 01:24:58 And the excessive focus on the woman’s body in the problem with unwanted pregnancy to me points to a very deep, deep seated problem with gender issue and male white privilege making, making decisions about how women are supposed to handle their bodies. And the fact is that Josh, you could go out and create 365 unwanted pregnancies in the next 12 months. I can produce one. I agree with you and I absolutely believe that there needs to be a stronger conversation about the man’s involvement in things that said, um, there’s two issues that I struggle with here and then I really want to understand because I just, I don’t get it. Number one, I’m going to state them both to you and we can kind of kind of, they kind of go together is number one, abortion. I mean a rape life of the mother, things of that nature make up a very small percentage of overall abortion. Um, I know people that have aborted children that were just being dumb, right? Like they have protected sex, they didn’t take precautions or whatever. They just inconvenient and the way they go.

Julie: 01:26:08 And also in most cases with plan B and or very, very early term abortions, most of those pregnancies can be handled within well before heartbeat.

Josh: 01:26:20 Yes. But I’m a, I would support a law that says you can aboard a board of fetus before a heartbeat. Not because I’m morally okay with it, but because if that was the compromise that I needed to make in order to do it, I think it would be hard for a anyone to argue that the person that is aborting that child has any form of malicious intent to kill someone. And I let, and let me preface this whole argument. Now we’re in the middle of it by saying as an overwhelming majority of the time, I don’t believe that women are like, all right, well, I’m going to go have an abortion. Right? Like it’s not like there, they take it lightly and that this is something that they’re just radically okay with. Yes, some people are, but as an overwhelming majority, I think that that is not the case. And so I do understand that it is a hard decision. My dilemma is that number one, most of an overwhelming majority of abortions, if you looked at statistics, and I will gladly provide, you know down this, once again, this is up on my, I have a tab up on my screen with this. Do not come from rape and do not come from insists. And I want to go back to your point of view, Donald Trump, when you say you’re not the person that says the ends justifies the means, and you can look at Donald Trump and you can be like, how could you possibly support someone like a Donald Trump?

Josh: 01:27:37 The ends don’t justify the means at all. Like, you know, Donald Trump made a, saved us from a bunch of crap. Right? But yeah, we should have gone through that because you know what, Donald Trump is a terrible human being and we should definitely not have elected him. I will take whatever it was that we were going to get beside him. I would take it and so could not, I argue the exact same argument when it comes to this to say, listen, you’re pregnant and you know what? You don’t want a baby. So the end result is that you don’t want a baby, so you’re going to abort that child. I could not, I argue that says sorry, but that ends of not wanting a child don’t justify the means of killing a child with a heartbeat. You know what I mean? Like of making that decision.

Josh: 01:28:22 And so like I look at this and I go, are unwanted pregnancies not a great situation to be in? Yes, I agree with that. I do believe that if there is an unwanted pregnancy that we in the United States government or in the United States, the man should be responsible for that the way more than he probably is now and should be responsible at very least financially, but more importantly emotionally like I think that they should charge for it. But that like saying that, Oh, because we can’t do that or because the man is not going to be involved or because of like whatever. I have the right to choose what I want to do with my body when [inaudible] like aren’t you of just justifying the ends

Julie: 01:29:02 with the apples to oranges because the end, like the end result, like the end justifies the mean is actually a pro-life stance. The end is a baby. And so we’re going to justify forcing a woman to go through this because of the baby at the end. But, but they, dude, like an overwhelming majority of them did choose like this is, this is the big argument, right? So if, if we say like in my personal situation I chose the responsible route and I got pregnant and I’m sure that I like I can’t go explore America and ask how many of them wore protection, didn’t wore protection. Cause then all of a sudden we’re like judge and jury on protection and then you know what, we should make it be a law that you have to wear condoms if you know you’re not like your, your line of reasoning to create.

Julie: 01:29:54 Like if you follow your line of reasoning and we say okay, unless it’s incest, unless it’s a rape, unless it’s like for the mother, uh, abortion should be illegal after six weeks, let’s say. Okay, that’s six weeks is one of the heartbeat comes right. So yeah, right. Then you have to prosecute, prosecute every mother who finds out she’s pregnant at six weeks, one day, even if she’s been on birth control. Even if she used condoms, even if it was like, no matter what the situation, you have to prosecute the mother. Oh you do, you do on your belief system you have to prosecute the mother. [inaudible]

Josh: 01:30:36 well I would say that you have, you wouldn’t just have to, you have to prosecute the mother. It’s against the law. If she has an abortion. Oh if she, if she have an abortion. Well yeah, yes. Under under the reasoning of that, yes you would have to prosecute the mother as a murder like as someone like a bat but and I would, I would submit port that on the single basis of like we all know what sex does, right?

Julie: 01:31:04 Like I just, I don’t understand the amount of responsibility put on women for unwanted pregnancies is blown so far out of proportion and the abortion debate, the amount of the amount of responsibility that you, because basically Josh in your world where that law is the case and you and I have sex and we use protection and I get pregnant and I say I can’t have another baby and I get an abortion at six weeks, one day I am prosecuted. You are not. Even though we both equally 50 50 created that unwanted pregnancy,

Josh: 01:31:41 I would 100% be okay though. And, and maybe let me ask you this, is if provided the mail that was involved with it, knew that there was a pregnancy and was okay with the abortion, did it pass that six weeks point and that happened that he could be prosecuted equally? I know that’s not how it is now, but I would say that under my belief system that should happen. If the dude’s like, do you know what, it’s just a couple of days I just go ahead and do it. She should be held equally responsible for that abortion and equally responsible for, you know, uh, assisting in murder or murder or whatever we want to call it. Call that as, because I’m like, she knew just as much as the chick did or the woman did like, Hey, like we’re about to have sex.

Josh: 01:32:26 Like there’s an actual possibility that, that, um, like we might have a kid and like my thing is, is like, by the way, I live in accordance with what I believe on this to say that, you know, if I were to get someone pregnant, I don’t care who it was. Like, if I got super drunk one night and I wasn’t, you know, it wasn’t in a relationship, right? Like, and I got super drunk one night and I went out, I had sex with someone and I got them pregnant or whatever, 100% I would make that child my own. I would be there, I would emotionally support, I would financially support even if I never had any intention of marrying that woman. Or even if I, you know, like had, it wasn’t a relationship like I’m going to live by that because that’s my responsibility. And like I think that men should be held responsible for that.

Josh: 01:33:10 But even, even if they are or are not like, and let’s like it doesn’t justify killing someone and like I just don’t understand. You can say like, well the problem is the man’s not going to be responsible. So therefore since the man is not going to be responsible, let’s go kill it. Like, let’s make it okay then we can,

Julie: 01:33:29 I personally don’t, like I personally would never get an abortion. Like I personally believe that in the sanctity of life I would carry the child. I would like, I don’t disagree with you on any of it like, but what I so, so why wouldn’t you be living in a fallen world where we don’t get to get the best? We don’t get to get the best that we want. Right? In an ideal world, yes there’d be no unwanted pregnancies or any unwanted pregnancies. The woman and the man, they would step up to the plate. They would have that baby and not the world we live in. And I believe that the world that we live in your viewpoint and your law would create infinitely more problems then if we, I currently have and I don’t know the laws totally. I think it varies by state but I think that before like eight weeks, right? Like most women know they’re private by the time they’re eight weeks pregnant. Right. And like, I don’t think you should get an abortion, but if you are going to get an abortion that is you face God one day and you deal with your actions and the consequences of your actions, I am not going to, you know, get the government involved in the law involved at this point with a child that’s eight weeks in the wool. It’s between you and God as far as I’m concerned.

Josh: 01:34:53 Okay. So if that’d be the case and let’s let, we’ll, we’ll that there because I don’t, I think that’s about as much common ground as we can find there. Um, but I, I do want to now bring Trump into this whole effect of everything which Trump, I mean, there’s been accusations that he’s been with women that have aborted his children. So you know, like who knows what’s actually true. Right? Um, correct me if I’m wrong on this. Maybe you don’t know. We might need to fact check this one a little bit more. Like, you know, Trump has said like, Hey, rape and sass, life of the mother. Like, I’m totally cool with that. I believe that, you know, at one point, like he’s even stated while president that he’s okay with not late term abortions but early tournament abortions that he is, but that the government, cause he reversed the law. This was shortly after he got into office, I, this is part of my research yesterday, he, he reversed the law that were Obama put a law into place that said that a state or a, uh, the federal government could withhold funding from States that refused to give funding to clinics like, um, planned Parenthood and things like that, that performed for us.

Julie: 01:35:59 And so Trump rolled that back from has said about planned Parenthood and abortion. He is all over the map. Before you get like w like I don’t like all that man’s mouth about abortion. Well, I, my eyes roll so far back in my head, he has, he has gone every side of the issue as far as he has this much credibility when it comes to talking about abortion.

Josh: 01:36:20 Right? But when it comes to his [inaudible] current economic policy, or I mean his current policy upon which she put into effect. So let’s take his words out of it here and let’s look at what he actually did from a law standpoint. And this was, can be found on, um, the list of one. It’s on CNN, it’s the CNN, um, uh, politics, Um, he, and this is under the category of legislation that he rolled back, uh, Obama era policies.

Josh: 01:36:50 He roll back a policy and put a new policy into place that says, Hey, States now [inaudible], um, refused to fund planned Parenthood or services that perform abortions, um, and uh, allow them to still receive government funding, whereas beforehand they couldn’t. And so my question to you is, I have no problem with that. Um, because I don’t think the government, and my next topic that I want to get to is healthcare. But if a woman chooses to have an abortion, and let’s assume that we agree that that’s OK, right? Like eight weeks or before, um, aye Joel. Like there are certain medical things that shouldn’t be covered and I don’t see or understand why, Oh, taxpayer money or government funded money of any sort or even health insurance plans should be forced to cover and abortion. What are your thoughts on payments of the actual contract?

Julie: 01:37:49 Our agreement that the government should stay out of stuff as much as possible then they should stay out of this. Like the, if we, if we both are conservatives and believe that the federal government’s job, which you just stated prior, was to keep our country safe and whatever those things were and the government shit like Trump should shut his mouth about abortion and we should leave it to the private sector to, to deal with. Right. I would, I would agree. So, um, I would say that I think some of it might come down to the, the local level, but yes, I think overwhelmingly that would be great. Yeah, there’s enough, there’s enough things going on that we need to deal with. Stay out of it.

Josh: 01:38:28 Okay. So when it comes to that health insurance, I am I so context for people listening and, and for you as well. Um, I used to sell life and health insurance before I got into entrepreneurship. That was my last job leading up to this. I had to go through all of the laws, all the certification programs, take all the tests, go down to the, you know, courthouse like, or whatever it was like and get certified. I’ve spent literally thousands of hours studying and being a part of, uh, the health insurance industry. I also came into it right as Obamacare got passed. So aye was very much, I don’t know, on the front lines is a correct terminology, but I was pretty well informed about how the Obamacare policies worked and how specifically it affected businesses and individuals, um, that had private health insurance, not people that were currently offered of appeal that actually were doing their part. They already had health insurance and things of that nature. I am overwhelmingly in support of private sector healthcare.

Josh: 01:39:29 I think the government, okay, so the government should have absolutely no part of healthcare. What’s, so I think.

Julie: 01:39:35 they’re doing a terrible job of it.

Josh: 01:39:38 Okay. I’m glad we agree on that. So my question now becomes, because, okay, another the thing that I get hated on about Trump all the time is saying, okay, listen, uh, you, how could you possibly support someone that doesn’t think healthcare is a right, or how could you not think healthcare is the right healthcare is, you know, a human right or this, that and the other. I don’t think health care is a human right, but I do think that we in America, by the way, have a standing law that says, Hey, if you go to the emergency room, like if you are in a literal life and death situation and you show up to the emergency room, they have to treat you even if you can’t pay for it. Right? Like that’s a thing. And so we have that. And so my question becomes, okay, obviously we, nobody wants [inaudible] people to die. Nobody wants people that, you know, need medical attention to be sick. Um, and, and not get that. However, you know, money is, is a limited resource. And you know, like we have to create and put policies in place that are sustainable. So what about all the people that cannot afford healthcare? Should they be calm, you know, comp, um, compensated somehow? Should they have some form of coverage? Does the private sector need to take care of them? Like what is your stance on it?

Julie: 01:40:50 Government is doing a terrible job of dealing with the health insurance. And if I truly do believe that democracy and capitalism and a free society does produce the best innovations and solutions, I think that the private sector probably has the answer more than the government does. Um, and so I like, I believe the government should stay out of a woman’s body should stay out of healthcare. Like it should stay out. Like I’m consistent on that theme.

Josh: 01:41:15 Okay. Um, do you believe that the overwhelming price of premiums would go down if the government got out of it and we let the private sector do its thing and I, and I’m so glad we agree on that. I can’t stand people that don’t think that. Okay. Um, is there any other things that you’d like to ask me? I have, I have one kind of final big question before we go to Q and a with everything but like that that I’m curious about, but like are there any questions or anything that you want to ask me or anything you want to say or address?

Julie: 01:41:41 I think we’re holding steady here being extremely civil.

Josh: 01:41:45 Oh, we’re good. I think we really are. Um, okay. So maybe this last question will change that, but hopefully not. Um, why do people hate Trump so much? And let me context that by saying, Julie, I didn’t like Obama. I had a friends and I grew up very conservative. Like I had friends and like I used to believe, and this is probably going to haunt me in the future, you know, if I ever wanted to get involved in politics, but this is honest and I would say this on stage in front of everyone. Like I used to believe that if you were gay you were a terrible human being, right? Like, no, it’s not that I’m not stating that other views of my family, but like that is the culture and the type of part people that I grew up with. Okay. Um, I don’t believe that anymore at all. And I want to clarify that. I mean I’ve lots of gay friends and um, but I have never ever seen the hate for Donald Trump or for anything or anyone that there is for Donald Trump. The, the absolute, illogical, completely emotional, cannot possibly make sense hatred for him and who he is and the absolute divide that has come because Donald Trump has been president. Aye cannot blame on him. Like I can’t, like yes. Has he contributed to it? Yes, but I just can’t blame him for it. I, I don’t like that just doesn’t happen. And I’m wondering like why do people like,

Julie: 01:43:20 yeah, a little bit. But the thing is yes, you have it right. It also has gone in the opposite direction to, I’m sure you don’t feel it, but like the haitch, the emotional and like the venom hearing on both sides is X is extraordinary. And I have never, I don’t like Donald Trump, but you won’t see me ripping into Trump supporters. I mean like some of my closest friends are like not just Trump supporters. They’re like wearing the swag. They’re like, and uh, and I’m like best friends with them. Like it’s, I don’t understand it either. I’ll all I can say is that I think that typically when you see more extreme behavior and extreme emote like emotional behavior, like almost like crazy making, right? Like people are acting starting to act crazy. To me that is a symptom of the climate and the culture of what we’re in today.

Julie: 01:44:17 And I know this might be a little like psychologically like going down a rabbit hole, but like I have studied very in depth gaslighting, which is, you know, for those of you guys listening who don’t know what it is, it’s when it’s, when, uh, somebody else starts to cry cause you to question your own perception of things, right? So it’s like, no, that’s not what it was like. And they like, it’s like a mind trick and it’s a house of cards I’ve been in, in relationship with people who do this and it will literally make you nuts like bonafide nuts and like questioning yourself. I think that the country as a whole is in that sort of pool right now and we are watching the manifestation of people who feel desperate, who feel out of control, who feel on the brink. I think it’s not just Trump’s fault at all.

Julie: 01:45:05 I think the media [inaudible] ah, like a hundred thousand percent culpable also in this whole thing because they have fed on either side at such an extreme level. Then I think there’s this like this almost like crazy amount of fear and instability and like are you my enemy? I mean even just yesterday in my group when I posted that and the response I got of like one person said to me like you will get death threats and people will come to your house. And like it was, I was stunned and I was scared for a minute like Holy crap. Like is this what we’ve come to? But that is, that is in part the culture that we live in an I do believe in top down economics. I do believe you reap what you sow. And I do believe that having a corrupt leader empower has created some consequences. I think the media has leveraged the crap out of it and I think they’ve made a crap ton of money leveraging the fact that we have him in power. And I think it’s created a culture that you’re seeing and you’re getting the brunt of it and other people are getting the brunt of it. And it’s sad and it’s bad.

Josh: 01:46:13 But like, and I, and I agree with you, but like I don’t, do you think that, and this goes two ways, I’m aware of that like Trump should behave right? Like he needs to shape up like from a maturity level, but like a, the blatant, I try to have a pretty even keeled view of the media. I don’t watch a lot of Fox news. Um, I probably watch more CNN than I do Fox and I don’t watch TV a whole lot. I try to get my, my news sources pretty center to even left because I don’t want to be so just wing cause I have those tendencies, right. And I w watch Joe Rogan, I wa you know, who’s pretty freaking liberal, right? Like, I mean he leans really, really liberal and a lot of the interviews on him and overwhelmingly [inaudible] [inaudible] anti-Trump cancel culture leftist movement. And I know you’re a Republican, but I’m still, you know, your thoughts are registered Republican at least. Um, seems to be way, way, way more into this then, then the, the right, maybe pro Trump supporters. And like, I’m not not saying that it’s not there because I know that it’s there on the Trump side of things, but like I feel like this is not a Trump issue as much as it is a media issue. And as much as it is a manipulate, uh, a, um, a personal responsibility issue and the fact that the culture that we’ve created, like Donald Trump didn’t cause this. Donald Trump is the results and amplified what was there.

Speaker 3: 01:47:46 But like, I dunno, I have a hard time blaming Trump for this. And I don’t understand the hatred behind it. And so like, my question to you is, is like, I know you don’t like Trump and I know you don’t, you know, support anybody being vial or you know, hatred or anything towards this negative side of things or whatever. But like, would it be a true statement, do you think? I think that Trump has done more good or more harm to the country since he’s been at.

Julie: 01:48:11 done more harm.

Josh: 01:48:13 And how so?

Julie: 01:48:14 I mean, it’s great that the economy’s booming, but, um, again, when I go back to, ah, my leaders leadership and my belief in God, and it’s like this idea of you put an Apple seed in the ground, you’re going to get an Apple tree and you’d be a fool to think you’re gonna get a peach tree. And so as a man thinks, so he is, uh, we oftentimes in business talk about your business will never grow beyond your character. And to me, pudding, someone like Donald Trump in office was going to reap spiritual, cultural, social consequences that we are now seeing inaction. And yes, business is great and the economy is great, but I think, and, and, and that is, uh, that I think that is a result of like, Hey, it’s not all, you know, he’s not all bad. He’s not all good. And there are principles of economics that work when you execute them no matter what kind of buffoon you are. Yeah, yes or no. But I think that what we’re seeing and I, because I have a very strong spiritual bent, I believe that we are reaping what we have sown with a president like Donald Trump. And you. So from a thing like what areas do you think that he has caused more harm than good?

Julie: 01:49:30 Is it like simply from a, a divide from a racist divide from a, like what parts of the parts that he’s really, that he’s really caused? Um, most Harmon, obviously I’m in the racism and division in that way. I think also in his, um, his, I feel like, I mean, you know what the irony is like his, in his treatment of women, ironically I do think it is incited women to stand up more. So, you know, that’s like the silver lining there is like now there’s, there’s almost more empowerment. Um, but I think from a political standpoint, the people across the aisle, I think there’s more political decision division, more ethnic division. Um, more like unrest between countries since he’s been president. Then more unification and peace in general. Okay.

Josh: 01:50:29 I don’t know. I, I tend to disagree. Um, with the [inaudible] maybe, maybe unification. I have a hard time. Like I look at Donald Trump and I go, I think we’re PO.

Julie: 01:50:44 and he takes no special responsibility for anything in his life. Okay.

Josh: 01:50:49 Oh, I and I agree. I would agree with that. Well, except for the, except for the things where, where he thinks he does great like that wall. Um, but like

Julie: 01:50:57 I, Josh, I don’t know how you knowing, knowing who you are as a person, knowing your ethics. No ha. Knowing how important your thoughts, actions, behavior, responsibility per like the way that you align yourself. You are like, you are a walking, talking example of someone who wants to be an integrity. Like, I’ve seen that from you for as long as long as you’ve been up and coming. And like he’s the opposite of that. He is the literal embodiment of out of alignment, not integrity. And so to me it’s like, okay, it’s impossible to not reap what you saw. Like that is a law as sure as sure is. And I think when you put someone like that in a position of power, his influence is going to trickle down. And like his cabinet has like even look at the way he’s led his cabinet and the turnover and the people that have gone to jail and the, I mean it’s just like,

Josh: 01:51:50 but, but, but it’s that like, it, that’s a broken system, right? And like what I feel like, I feel like for me, I, I obviously, I believe that Trump has done overwhelmingly Lee more good than harm. And we will disagree on that. And, and that’s fine. But like, I look at it and I go, um, okay, you put people, if I’m building a business right, or if I’m running a car company or a corporation, I bring in someone to ruthlessly gut me on systems and tell me how to build systems. And then after that’s done, I, I come in with advertising or come in and do this and I feel like we got, we came in and were like, alright, we need some economic as secure as, you know, economy growth. We need some security. Like, yeah, you’re not the greatest. But like [inaudible] all of our options were bad and nobody else was out there. Like Hillary. Like I think maybe we can’t agree, but like, do you think Hillary would have been a better option than Trump?

Julie: 01:52:40 I was not a big fan of Hillary. Yeah.

Josh: 01:52:44 So, so like, you know, like, I mean I got pretty, I got pretty mad at my mom too. And, and you know, truth be told, like, I was like, I don’t know how you couldn’t vote for Trump. And Hillary was the other option because I’m like, you can say yes the worst of two evils, but I’m like, I don’t even necessarily look at as the worst of two evils. Like yeah, Trump’s pretty messed up in a lot of areas. But like Thompson the actually do you want to do some thing like Trump actually is there were not like,

Julie: 01:53:06 yes, it’s like the lesser of two evils and I think I have a streak of idealism in me that says that we could have, we didn’t, but we could have had a leader that was in an alignment in integrity and could shake things up and it is impossible. Like I can’t lay down my belief, right. That there isn’t a leader out there that knows how to stir things up and knows how to still be like a good character. So this idea of like, well we needed Trump because like I don’t know that that’s true. I think that like w it’s going to be used for, you know, like there’s always that silver lining. God wins with a pair of twos, but I do not think it was the best option to put Donald Trump in, in the, in the president’s chair at all. Like I don’t think it at all.

Josh: 01:53:50 So let’s say, do you have anybody in mind on who that might be? Do you think that’s capable of it? Even if they’re not possible, even if they won’t run for president, like do you have anybody that’s like, they would be, I think that they could do. Okay. Because like to me, like I just look at it and I go, you gotta work with what you got and you say it’s in a fallen system and you say, you know, like the whole thing with the board, going back to the abortion thing, you’re like, Hey, it’s a fallen system. And I’m like, yeah, I agree it’s a and system. But okay, so if you’re going to adjust to a fallen system, I’m an adjust a fond system two over here and I’m going to say, listen, Trump was my best option that I was presented

Julie: 01:54:24 the option that you were presented with. I didn’t like either candidate. I felt very much like, well crap, like these are my two options. Awesome. Right? I was not happy. And so we, you know, who was better? The problem is you can never argue who would be better, Donald Trump or Hillary because we don’t live in an alternate universe where we can’t see what Hillary has done. So we don’t know. I just know I didn’t like either of them. Right. But I, but I can’t, I can’t be like Donald Trump is the best thing that’s happened in America in the last 30 years because I don’t, I don’t think that’s true.

Josh: 01:54:57 Oh, and that’s fine. Um, what would have to change, and I, and I’m going to answer the same question reversed, but what would have to change in Donald Trump’s character, which I totally get. It’s not going to happen. It’s impossible and whatever. But like, pretend that you knew deep down inside you saw these changes and you knew that they were genuine. What character changes would have to change in order for you to vote for Donald Trump in 2020? Yeah. Which I know is not going to happen, but like, and that you won’t and but like what, what things are you like, what are the big ones that are like what happened to change

Julie: 01:55:29 would be number one, his commitment, two, stop lying. Double speaking. Creating these like vague like circuit, like say what you mean mean what you say and do, which you’re going to do. Right? Like, and as much as everyone’s like, Oh Donald Trump came and drain the swamp, he doesn’t, he double speaks. Like he double speaks so bad. It’s like, it’s so easy to find him doing that. So that’d be the first thing they would have to change. The second thing that would have to change is he would have to start surrounding himself with leaders that are not corrupt and leaders that aren’t ending up in jail or being accused of, you know, like ms treatment of women, like put in a really, really solid diverse leadership in place that can hold him accountable. That would be the second thing. And then I think honestly, the self adulation and the lack of personal responsibility, that would be a big thing that would have to change for me. So hypothetically, if Trump wins 20, 20 and like two years into it, I don’t know, God speaks to him, miracle worker or whatever, you know, blah, blah.

Josh: 01:56:32 And he comes out as president. He’s not, you know, he’s there. He’s not voting him in and out. And he came out and was like, you know what, I’ve messed up, which I totally understand is not gonna happen. But like if he were to be like, listen, you know what? I messed up. I’ve treated women terribly. Um, we’re cleaning house. We’re getting some new leaders in here to, to help really support me. Um, I, I’m not gonna lie anymore. I’m going to have a fact checker there to validate everything that I say. Um, and you know, like, these are the changes that I’m going to make. Could you then at that point, if that were to happen, which it won’t, but if it could, could you then at that point say, all right, I now at least believe that Trump is headed towards the direction of the character that we would need in this country.

Julie: 01:57:12 Absolutely

Josh: 01:57:13 Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, I do want to go to any questions, guys. We’re gonna read your questions really quick down below. Um, final question I have for you. It’s actually a question for you to me is like what would your advice to me, the, as some, I mean I have a lot of respect for you and, um, you know, you know, the, the industry that I’m in, yup. Pretty, pretty well, probably better than an overwhelming majority of people. Um, what advice would you have for me on a political slash Trump level in the sense of, um, I am not just business, right? I am business thought leader content type stuff. Uh, and I do believe we need to treat people with respect. I get it. Ironic, right? Um, uh, but like, you know, I’m building a brand but think different theory of where I’m not afraid to talk politics where I do think that we need to stand up and you know, call people out when they’re right or wrong and support people in their rights and talk, you know, ethics and capitalism and you know, it’s more than just like, Hey, here’s how to close some more sales, right?

Josh: 01:58:13 And build it and build a thriving business. I think, you know, I’m bigger than that, but obviously I am pretty vocal about my support and Trump. I’m not afraid to do that. I’m not afraid to have a conversation about it like this. What would your advice be to me to not like, I understand there is going to be some just people will look at me and they’d go, you support Trump. You’re automatically disqualified in any way. But I think that once Trump is out of office, there will be a sense of like, I want to believe that people are gonna become more level headed towards people that might’ve supported Trump and that maybe they’re going to be like,

Josh: 01:58:42 I know he’s supported Trump or he’s out of office now. So that’s behind me. I can be level headed again. So what would your advice be to me to not alienate my audience or just in general like my advice to be when it comes to talking about politics and when it comes to talking about, you know, things a have strong disagreements in the political realm as such.

Julie: 01:59:00 I think you’re doing a really good job of it already. I mean you, you asked me to come on the podcast knowing full well that I’m not in support of Trump and so yeah, that sort of like open-mindedness of asking for other people’s opinions. You already do that. So I think you do a really good job of that. Um, I have found nothing you’ve done super offensive, even though I’m not for Trump, so I don’t know that you will ever be able to do something that gets the extremist to not be extreme. Right. Um, and I think as you, as you continue to explore your politics and stuff, um, I think constantly evaluating, um, your sources, asking for different opinions as well as understanding that like, until you know, it’s like, I honestly think that, you know, I will never know what it’s like to be a man. I will never know what it’s like to be a person of color. Like you don’t know what it’s like to be a parent yet you don’t know what it’s like to be a husband yet. Like understanding that there are these milestones that are coming. And so until you get there, being open to the people who have been there and what their experiences I think will just in general, you know, make you more well rounded. But I, I honestly would applaud you. I think you’ve been doing an excellent job. I’ve not ever been offended by the things that you post, even when I completely disagree.

Josh: 02:00:25 Wow. Yeah. So, well that’s good and I appreciate that. Okay, well I will continue that. Um, I know there’s like, like a hundred or a hundred comments on everything. I don’t think we have the time to kind of go through everything. I don’t see any directly at the top. I think it’s more opinions. Um, so if it’s all right with you, like we can reply in the comments section if necessary, but I think we’re just gonna go ahead and end it here. Um, I want to say thank you. Um, and, and, and I think that this was an incredible step in the right direction from two people that do have an audience, um, to have a civil debate and discussion about something that is obviously terribly polarizing. So I understand that there was a lot of risks that went into that. And I want to say first and foremost, thank you for coming on.

Josh: 02:01:05 Secondly, thank you for, um, what you have done in the community. I mean, I know we call it the internet marketing community, but the community of the internet, um, you know, I know that your time at ClickFunnels wasn’t overwhelmingly long, but the effects there and your involvement in your community, your group and what you’ve done, I think that we need to have more conversations like this. And I want to say thank you for what you’ve done because you are a strong leader. You are a woman that has brought to light even for me, uh, the issues and, and I read, I read a lot of your before your,

Josh: 02:01:40 I don’t want to say political posts, so social justice posts. Yes. And if there’s one thing that I yeah, no, when I, whenever I go into reading a Julie post, I know that it is coming from a very thought through, um, frame of reference. And that while I disagree with obvious things and you know, I disagree. I think there’s room for disagreement and I think that’s what makes America, and I think that’s what makes [inaudible] great is, is that room for disagreement. And so I really appreciate the fact that you are level headed and that you are willing to come on here when I definitely made the comment, I know exactly what comment you were referring to when I read that to a, I’d be saying that. So I appreciate that and I do appreciate everything.

Julie: 02:02:20 This is good. I’m glad I did it. I’m glad I came shaking in my boots. Yeah,

Josh: 02:02:25 follow through. Awesome. I love it guys. This has been, um, Julie’s though in and the Donald Trump dilemma, I’m not even calling it a debate. It’s more of a dilemma and, and just kind of discussing that. Um, I do want to let you kind of plug for, for those people that want to follow you more cause I think you have a lot of good ideas. Where can people find you and

Julie: 02:02:42 none of my website, I’m mostly active on Facebook. If you want to follow the kinds of posts that Josh is referring to, I do post, come find me. That’s where I do all of that. My email list is a great place to also hear all my commentary on life and business so you can get that on my website as well.

Josh: 02:03:03 That’s awesome. Yeah, and I was on your email list for a while before I did my mass on subscribe and I always found it very interesting how you, shared while still maintaining the authority that you are a shared the vulnerabilities and even when you would go through times when you just ghosted everybody. And like I remember that you didn’t hit your email list for like a week and everybody freaked out. Right? So that’s a good place there. So guys, check her out. Um, if you guys have any questions, um, please comment them down below. We’ll be in the comments section and reading those and I’ll be, you know, replying to those. Please be civil like I do ask that. I mean, that’s very, very important. Um, and then last but not least, everybody, if you’re watching, still just comment hashtag or just say thank you Julie, because you know, we do appreciate you coming on. So Julie, thank you so much, guys. As always, hustle, hustle, God bless. Do not be afraid to think different because those of us that think different are the ones that changed the world. And those of us that think different are the ones that are willing to have conversations like this. Conversations that actually matter and it actually gonna go out and make a difference in the world we live in. So I love you all and I will see you on the next episode. Take it easy fam.

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