Think Different Theory

From 6 Felonies, Drugs and Alcohol to Having a Top Rated Podcast


In this episode, I welcome Zachary Babcock, a 6-time felon and former drug addict turned entrepreneur and the top-rated podcast host of the Underdog Empowerment.


Tune in as Zachary shares his incredible story of turning his life around and talks about personal responsibility, the struggles he went through to get back into society, what he would change about the criminal system to help recovering felons, how he lands celebrity and top entrepreneurs on his podcast, Trump, racism, and so much more.

Here are the key topics discussed in this episode:

  • Josh and Zachary’s predictions for the Super Bowl (06:44)
  • Zachary’s backstory and how he turned his life around (09:26)
  • Advice for people who don’t take personal responsibility for their lives (17:46)
  • The one change in the prison system that would have a positive impact (25:42)
  • Landing Billy Gene on his podcast (32:42)
  • The ultimate goal of The Underdog Empowerment Podcast (41:34)
  • The way society is positioned right now against being white (59:02)
  • The racism debate and the national divide it has caused (01:05:06)
  • Stereotypes and why they exist in society (01:13:33)


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October 4, 2019


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Zachary: 00:00:00 Anytime I tried to collaborate with anybody, nobody took me seriously. I was literally that ex-convict-turned-entrepreneur afterthought that nobody gave the time of day to, and I was pissed. I get it. Everybody judges people like we’re literally hardwired that way. Alright? I get it, but I wasn’t gonna let that judgment keep me in this box. Dude, I was like, “I’m not this, like, I’m breaking out.” And so, out of that pain and frustration, I decided to launch The Underdog Empowerment Podcast that in the third day became a top-rated podcast, and then the next week had Billy Gene Is Marketing on the show.

Intro: 00:00:32 You‌ ‌are‌ ‌now‌ ‌entering‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌So, ‌here’s‌ ‌my‌ ‌issue.‌ ‌I‌ ‌wanted‌ ‌to‌ ‌find‌ ‌the‌ ‌ answers‌ ‌to‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌questions.‌ ‌Things‌ ‌like,‌ ‌how‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌become‌ ‌happy‌ ‌and‌ ‌live‌ ‌with‌ ‌purpose?‌ ‌ How‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌make‌ ‌more‌ ‌money‌ ‌doing‌ ‌what‌ ‌I‌ ‌love,‌ ‌and‌ ‌what‌ ‌does‌ ‌it‌ ‌mean‌ ‌to‌ ‌be‌ ‌truly‌ ‌successful‌ ‌in‌ ‌ all‌ ‌areas‌ ‌of‌ ‌life?‌ ‌My‌ ‌name‌ ‌is‌ ‌Josh‌ ‌Forti,‌ ‌@JoshForti‌ ‌on‌ Instagram,‌ ‌and‌ ‌I‌ ‌ask‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌ questions‌ ‌and‌ ‌share‌ ‌the‌ ‌answers‌ ‌with‌ ‌you.‌ ‌My‌ ‌goal‌ ‌is‌ ‌to‌ ‌help‌ ‌you‌ ‌find‌ ‌purpose,‌ happiness,‌ ‌and‌ ‌ open‌ ‌your‌ ‌mind‌ ‌to‌ ‌new‌ ‌realms‌ ‌of‌ ‌possibility‌ ‌by‌ ‌helping‌ ‌you‌ ‌think‌ ‌differently‌ ‌about‌ ‌everything‌ ‌you‌ do,‌ ‌know,‌ ‌and‌ ‌understand.‌ ‌On‌ ‌this‌ ‌podcast,‌ ‌we‌ ‌think‌ ‌different,‌ ‌we‌ ‌dream‌ ‌bigger,‌ ‌and‌ ‌we‌ ‌live‌ ‌in‌ ‌a‌ ‌ world‌ ‌without‌ ‌limits.‌ ‌This‌ ‌is‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌Welcome‌ ‌to‌ ‌The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory.

Josh: 00:01:17 What’s up guys? Welcome back to another episode of The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory. My name is Josh Forti. And, today has just been an interesting day for me here today. Very, very busy day. Lots of meetings, lots of stuff, getting ready to leave, travel here up in the next month or so, but just rock n’ rolling. But then I… I went to bed last night, and when I go to bed, I always check my calendar for the next day, and I get to see all of the meetings or the interviews, or whatnot, that I have. And I looked at my calendar and I was like, “Oh, oh… the Zachary podcast episode is today.” We batch out our content as you guys know. We do like three, or four, or five episodes at a time when we record them, especially when we do interviews. Typically, our interviews take place on Tuesdays and Fridays, and so we’ll batch it all out.

Josh: 00:02:04 So we had a bunch, but Zachary, my next guest, Zachary Babcock, we’re about to bring him on here, or I guess he’s on if you’re watching the video version of it, but we did an interview already, and he was one of like three or four people that we did, and the files got corrupted. And, normally it’s like, “Ah, man. I gotta go and like hit them up again, and like ask him to come back on, or whatever”, but actually, he was super cool about it, number one. And number two, I feel like this is going to be a better interview. And the only reason I say that is because like, we’ve gotten to know each other even better during… like during this time. And I also found out, during this time, that… that he’s a Rams fan. So… so, we’re… we’re about to do that.

Josh: 00:02:44 But I want to bring onto this show, the underdog. The underdog. And the host of The Underdog Empowerment. The guy who’s got… how many felonies you got, dude?

Zachary: 00:02:53 Six felonies.

Josh: 00:02:53 Six felonies. It sounds worse than it is, but he has turned his life around and is really like, just a dude that doesn’t give up, and a dude that’s gonna just make you feel like you’re just not working hard enough, and then bring it back. And so, Zachary, welcome back to the show. I appreciate you coming on my man.

Zachary: 00:03:10 Dude. Thanks for having me. And you totally beat me to the… to the Rams/Patriots little…. yeah.

Josh: 00:03:16 Let’s start with that bro. Alright. First off, I’m going to do it because I’m a Patriots fan. Ha! But also, that was a crazy game, man.

Zachary: 00:03:28 Man, I’ll tell you what, dude is much, I don’t hate Tom Brady like everybody else in the world does just because he wins. I actually respect him and I love that about him. I hate him because he’d beat my Rams twice, once years old, and once this recently, and.

Josh: 00:03:43 Everybody told me it was going to be a man. So I was down in Miami, um, during the the game. So my birthday is February 1st, so every now and then the super bowl falls on my birthday, which is just awesome. Oh, by the way, my 21st birthday, the Patriots won their fourth super bowl. My 21st birthday was amazing. But all that being said, I was down in Miami and everybody told me they were like, well, circle, uh, golf is coming in. Young quarterback, young, a young coach, they’re gonna beat Tom Brady. The torch is going to be handed over as the new era. And that was the thing I just kept hearing over and over. And I will tell you until the last quarter of that game, I was stressed, dude. Oh my gosh. Crazy game, man.

Zachary: 00:04:22 It was, dude. Uh, yeah, you guys definitely out coached Belichick out coach the hell out of McVeigh on that game for sure.

Josh: 00:04:30 He really did. But, uh, I mean that’s bill Belicheck and Tom Brady for you. But I gotta ask why, why are you a Rams fan? I’m like, were you a st Louis Rams fan or are you a Rams fan now that they’re in LA? Or how did that come about?

Zachary: 00:04:41 Yeah, man. So I’m from st Louis. Uh, the year I started watching football, I was 11 years old. In 1999 they won the super bowl and became the greatest show on turf and they’d been my favorite team ever since. And then when I was in prison, I got them tattooed on me in 2009 now, if you remember in 2009, they were dead in the middle of a 13 year. Horrible, horrible, no playoffs, like four winds, seasons, terrible drought. And I still got them tattooed on me. Then they moved from st Louis and in 2016 and everybody, pretty much everybody in st Louis abandoned them. But not me. That’s my, this is my team. You know, my ride with them no matter what.

Josh: 00:05:19 That’s awesome man. I respect that. I really do. I’m a Patriots fan, so I will say rooting for the pages has been pretty easy my whole life. But I’m also a Lakers fan, Los Angeles Lakers, and we kind of suck right now. So I’m not a, I’m not a bandwagon or when Tom Brady leaves I will be heartbroken. But uh, I’ll still be a Patriots fan, so.

Zachary: 00:05:37 As long as they got Belichick, there’ll be okay. It is going to suck to lose Tom Brady the goat. But I think there’ll be all right with a hundred Belczyk.

Josh: 00:05:43 I think so. W do you think that they’ll, that Tom Brady’s going to get his seventh ring?

Zachary: 00:05:48 Probably. So he’s probably going to get it this year.

Josh: 00:05:50 You think so? You think it’s going to go back to back to back?

Zachary: 00:05:52 Dude, I think he’s going to do some really Epic stuff. As much as I don’t want it to happen and I want the Rams to it. I, I think, uh, the only threat he has is a Kansas city. And I went, but when it comes to the big games, uh, I don’t, I don’t, I think he’s, I think he’s gonna hold it down this like he’s always have. And I think, uh, cause I mean Steelers are, they’re not even a threat anymore in three.

Josh: 00:06:15 And that’s the thing. Uh, I was at the chiefs game last year. Chiefs, Patriots, AFC championship game, um, got ridiculed for being a Patriot fan of course. But uh, yeah, I hope that this year that is that chiefs and Patriots again, I do, I want it to be a good game. I want there to be some challenges, but I want it to be in new England this time. Um, because it says it was in the sheaves last year. I think it’d only be fair if it went back. But now that we’re talking about this, I have to ask you predictions for the Superbowl. Who do we think is going to be in it?

Zachary: 00:06:44 I think it’s gonna be a rematch. Rooms and Patriots in, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m riding with my team to death, but unfortunately, man, it’s, I mean, if I was the, you know what? No, you know what? I’m gonna, I’m gonna stick with them a ride with my team. I’m gonna. I’m going to bet with them, even though it’s kinda hard. It’s like damn, dude. It’s like, cause I’m never like this. I’m always 100% on one way. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. Well, we’re talking about going up against the goat, but you know what dude? Okay, I’m riding with my team, dude. I’m, I’m gonna, I’m gonna.

Josh: 00:07:12 All right.

Zachary: 00:07:13 I don’t know. [inaudible] Patriots another, it’s going to be like 17 to 14 Rams. Oh, that,

Josh: 00:07:19 that’d be fitting considering with 17 to 14 when the giants beat the Patriots. A terrible game for the worst day of my life, but all right, I’m going to go, I’m going to say that it’s the Cowboys versus the Rams in the NFC championship. Um, the Packers may pull it together and make it to the NFC championship, but I think like Dallas looks good. Um, I hope is Dallas. At my, my dream for the super bowl and my prediction, which doesn’t always come through, I’m going to say it’s Dallas new England in the Superbowl. I think that Dallas, Dallas edges, the Rams and the NFC championship game on like a Dak Prescott play or a blown cover, some something stupid, right? Like it’s gonna be a close game and it’s going to be something stupid. It’ll probably be controversial cause the Cowboys, right. Um, and uh, they’ll make it in. That’s my prediction. And of course, I never, ever, ever, ever bet against Tom Brady ever. Like they were down 28 to three in the Superbowl. Right? I don’t know how to, I don’t know how to bet against that anymore. So the Patriots win 71, but.

Zachary: 00:08:21 it’s hard to bet against the dude, man. I ain’t gonna lie. It really is just a winner, dude. Yeah. He’s the greatest of all time. I give it to him 100%.

Josh: 00:08:28 Awesome. All right, let’s get into this man. What is it going to be? A good, good, good episode. Um, we gave the hook, man, you’re a six time felon, right? Or five time felon, whatever it was. Uh, you’re an awesome dude and I, and I love watching your stuff. Um, I will say when, when the Rams pulled out the Rams, just one, um, what was on Sunday night, they played right against the Browns. I logged into Facebook just to see if you were going to post something and you let me down. I was very disappointed there. But I follow your stuff and you got some good stuff and dude, I don’t know what you’re doing but you’re doing something right. You’re booking some really awesome like big, big names. You got Bradley, you had um, a Tai Lopez business partner, Alex, who I’m, I can’t wait for that episode. I’m looking forward for that one coming out. Um, give us a little bit of your backstory though, cause you’ve clearly turned your life around, you’re doing some awesome things with the podcast. How did you kind of get to this point and what’s, what’s a little bit of your history and like, you know, a five minute recap of you.

Zachary: 00:09:26 right on bro. I’ll definitely keep it short and sweet real quick though. That’s weird. That’s strange because last week was the first time I didn’t post after a Rams game and over a year bro. Like it was late though. I had the kids wife was in Vegas and I, yeah, that was, I totally dropped the ball, so I totally apologize.

Josh: 00:09:46 Don’t ever drop the ball again. But again,

Zachary: 00:09:49 it’d be unforgivable. But uh, yeah, dude made a bunch of mistakes growing up. You know, I, I, I grew up wanting to fit in with, uh, with the cool kids, didn’t have a father figure and did things that were out of my character in order to fit in that went against my morals and values and all that. And it was just a, you know, I, I didn’t really, it was totally my decision as well. By the time I was 19 Atlanta myself in prison did over four years flat, uh, just for being a knucklehead, doing a bunch of stupid stuff when I was 17 years old and I got out when I was 23 completely different world. Like, man, the world changes a lot for years. And, um, I stayed out for about two years, but then I went back because I had gotten a DWI after I’d gotten fired from a job, from getting a promotion for being their best salesman.

Zachary: 00:10:34 And then I got fired two days later cause they found out I was a convicted felon instead of instead of searching for all the right answers, I chose to throw a pity party. And, uh, and I became alcoholic and went back to prison 20 days for my twin sons were born. And that was the defining moment. That was the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. And ever since then been moving in a completely different direction. And just to clarify for the listeners, uh, the offense is we’re not like crazy evil murdered someone. W what were the charges? Yeah, so a, the six different, the, the worst one was Burghley first and that’s where we were driving around. We caught form one night being idiots, but a 17. We were driving around and we are stealing out of cars that were left unlocked. And, uh, cars that left their garage doors open, our opener in the, in their cars.

Zachary: 00:11:22 We would open it and then we’d drive off for 20 minutes, come back. If it was still open, we’d go and steal the power tools or whatever else is being IOTs. We need, need the where you’re just bored. And um, so that was the worst was burglary first. And then I have a steel or motor vehicle, a two council stealing over 500. And then, uh, right before I went to prison, cause I got those four charges right before I went to prison. After I went deep down off a, uh, into a dark path of drugs and alcohol or whatnot, I had gotten assault on law enforcement, escape from custody. Sounds crazy,

Zachary: 00:11:54 but I was really just dope sick from heroin trying to escape. Uh, cause I knew I was going to go do some prison time.

Josh: 00:12:00 Got it, got it. So dude, so you know, Ryan Stewman, you, he had, you had him on the podcast too and I talked to him about, uh, the prison time that he’s done and he and I become pretty good friends. You know, about everything. Everybody that I talked to about prison, I feel like one of two things happens. You either go in there and you hate the world, right? Well, you probably hate the world when you go in there regardless, but you either come out and you haven’t changed. It’s a problem. You hate the world or even more jacked up. You’re going to do more bad stuff and you know, you don’t learn your lesson, right? Or it is a place of uh, you do, you like, you do actually take the time to, to learn and to change your life around.

Josh: 00:12:43 And you have a time in there to think and obviously we like, we know it is a choice, it’s personal responsibility and like that’s ultimately what leads to that. But how did you, and I know it took you twice, but like what was the defining moment for you or, or the thing that was like, all right, I know it was your, you know, your twin sons being born, but like what changed inside of you? And like, how did you go in and say, all right, I’m going to get off the drugs, I’m going to cut out being an alcoholic. I’m going to stop being this criminal, right. Essentially. Or, or like doing dumb stuff. Uh, and I’m actually gonna turn my life around and do it. How hollered are you now? Uh, 31, I’ll be 31 in a few days. Happy birthday early. Um, but, uh, you know, by the time it’s out, I’m sure it’ll be your birthday.

Josh: 00:13:28 So happy birthday. Um, but uh, like what, what decision needs to be made and how does one make that decision to go and do that?

Zachary: 00:13:39 Really, really great question. And, um, you know, it’s, it’s crazy cause like I discovered the, I, I came upon this in that moment, but later on, you know, at the time when I made this decision, I didn’t know anything about self help books or personal development. Uh, but later on reading those types of books, I discovered what actually happened. You know what I mean? Um, but it really came down to man is I wanted to be the father that I didn’t have growing up my whole life. That’s like one thing that I really, really wanted. And then when I went back to prison, um, you know, no one was doing drugs at this point, but I was drinking heavily.

Zachary: 00:14:14 I was dude, uh, way out there as far as, as soon as I woke up at like 10 in the morning, cause I was obliterated the night before, I’d start smashing beer all night long for about three in the morning or 12. Um, and, and so going back to prison, just 20 days from my sons were born, dude, that was, that was painful dude. And I was like, dude, I can’t, it, it was like I felt big enough to sit on opinion, swinging my feet from it. Like that’s how, that’s how low I felt. And so I knew right there, up until that moment, I used to blame everybody and anything, uh, besides myself or anything that ever went wrong in my life. And I knew, and I sat there and I said, dude, if I keep on doing what I’m doing right, I’m either going to be in, in and out of prison my entire life, or I’m going to end up dead like my sister, or I’m gonna, I’m going to be in there for the rest of my life, not even in and out.

Zachary: 00:15:01 Uh, I won’t be free and in my kids life. And if I do that, I’m going to miss out on that. And, and that’s, that was so painful to me to think about. So in that moment, I knew that I had to take responsibility for everything right and wrong in my life and take literally everything. And, and you know, I won’t make this a long winded answer, but you know, there’s things that, certain things that you can’t control in your life, but you can always control how you respond to that. And I knew that moving forward I had to make that decision.

Josh: 00:15:27 So from a, um, so I would say that probably most of our listeners, and I don’t know who, who all listens obviously, but I would say most of our listeners probably don’t have quite the path that you have to, you know, do this, not maybe not going to jail and everything like that. I mean, I’ve been to jail for 12 hours, so it doesn’t really compare. It’s not for as hard as I did in my hard times, but that was very, you know, just being an idiot on a motorcycle. So, um, but like probably the single biggest thing that I preach and it’s, yeah. Got a lot of people that hate me at times. It’s personal responsibility. Right. One of the episodes that I have on the first episodes was everything is your fault. That’s the name of it. And, um, you know, if, if it happened in your life, like, you know, you might not have known the consequence that was going to come, but you know, the fact that you chose to go to Walmart at 10 o’clock at night and there happened to be a gunman there, right? Like, I mean, and obviously an extreme example, like yeah, it was your fault, but no, like, but you did make the decision, right?

Josh: 00:16:25 So like you can blame other people, but ultimately your choices, whether you realize them or not, like do affect your life, right? And so, um, and you can do everything right and still have hard times fall upon you, but it’s your responsibility to come out of that. Um, I think it’s easy sometimes for us to look at someone like you and be like, dang, dude, you have an incredible story. There’s no way I could’ve done that. Whatever man. Like, or, man, dude, if I was in prison, that’s totally how I would act. Right? I would get my life together if I was in that place and turn it around. But like they don’t do it in their everyday life. And so like, talk to me about like what you see and maybe like what you’ve learned, um, of what it’s like, like taking personal responsibility in your day to day life or, I know, I know you’ve worked with people, you coach some people with some, you know, the podcasting stuff and I’m sure you’ve been around a lot of people that don’t take responsibility for their life.

Josh: 00:17:16 Like, what’s your advice for that person that like they might not even know what it means to take personal responsibility for their life or they are always complaining and they’re like, well, this isn’t my fault or this is my fault, or, you know, my business partner screwed me over and that’s why I’m broke. Like, what’s your advice to them from someone that like, I know your story probably a little bit more than, you know, we have time to go into just because we’ve [inaudible], you know, gone on it before, but like, what’s your advice to that person that is blaming or that that does, doesn’t want to take personal responsibility for their life?

Zachary: 00:17:46 Did, dude, uh, it’s funny, man, I, I literally just made a Facebook about this yesterday. I don’t remember the exact words I said, but I said, uh, uh, no matter how you look at it, privileged or underprivileged, if you blame anybody or anything other than yourself for not being where you want to be in life, you’re a weak minded little and could be in one others. Nothing that can hold you back except for you. Um, and that’s true. And it’s in any case sued, like literally did do when I came out of prison, dude, I couldn’t get a job anywhere to support my family. Uh, you put me up against anybody that doesn’t have a convicted felony record. They’re getting the job before me. Now, granted, I do that to myself. 110%. I’m not, I’m not saying I did it, but what I’m saying is at base, at this point, moving forward for rest of my life, I’m underprivileged in that category.

Zachary: 00:18:36 Okay. Who cares though? That didn’t stop me. And, and, and, and there’s plenty more examples of people that were quote unquote unapproached. You got to look at it like this way, man, you’ve got to flip that around and understand that being underprivileged is really a privilege because you want it better than anybody else. Period. You’ll work harder than anybody. If everybody has something given to them their whole entire life, they’re not going to outwork you. They don’t want it as bad as you. They’re not, they’re not gonna. They don’t have the discipline to put the, to push through the pain, but it’s gonna want it handed to them. So you to, you got to flip it around and look at being like, if something so does happen that works against your favorite, you’ve got to look at it like, actually this is working in my favor. Nothing happens to me. I hate this. It’s a cliche, but it’s so true. If nothing happens to you, happens for you, man. Yeah, that’s what I would say to those type of people.

Josh: 00:19:27 So like, let’s talk about like the, the, that whole concept of, and I want to focus a little bit on convicted felons here and I’m gonna we’ll tie this around to the average everyday person. Um, you obviously have gone through a lot of crap in your life and everybody has their own story, right? Like I’ve gone through my own version of hurt and, and figuring my life out. But like, clearly, you know, you’ve been to jail or prison and you’ve, you’ve gone through this, you get out like we are broken people, right?

Josh: 00:19:57 And so wherever, like you chose to get out of prison, take personal responsibility for your life, hustle your face off, turn your life around Bob, you know, all that stuff. But anytime you put time and energy in one place, and for me, I did the same thing like hostel my based off, you’re sacrificing something else, right? So you’re sacrificing time with your wife or your girlfriend, your sacrifice and time with your kids or with your family or whatever. Right? Like there’s always a sacrifice that needs to be made and there’s times to make sacrifices and there’s times to not. But some people are more broken and more messed up than others. Now, I don’t know how messed up you were. It sounds like, you know, maybe there was quite a bit of, you know, stuff that you had to fix and go through. Um, I’ve always said that entrepreneurship is the greatest personal development lesson that you can possibly go through, right? Like, it’s like this craziness of like if you want to make millions of dollars or even just lead a team or have a business of any sort, like you’ve got to get really raw and vulnerable with yourself at some

Josh: 00:20:48 point. But like, you know, a lot of people get out of prison and there isn’t this used as like, Hey, like I’m a felon, I can’t get a job. I’m a felon. I can’t do that. And [inaudible] is that a legitimate excuse at all for anybody like it? And I like, I tend to agree with you like, Hey, personal responsibility to take responsibility for it, you’ll kill it. But are there exceptions to that in mass quantities? Obviously there’s always a little bit, but like is it truly, has the system really made it really, really difficult for convicted felons that get out of jail to be normalized back into society?

Zachary: 00:21:20 Without a doubt, it’s, uh, 10 times. So I may do, I know, I can quantify it. It’s really, really hard when you, when you do that and you, and you also got to understand that you did it to yourself. Okay. But yet once you’re in that position, you’re in a hole, a big hole and it’s very hard coming out of prison. So not saying it’s not hard. However, um, if it’s still, it can’t stop you. If you want it bad enough, it’s still comes down to personal responsibility. How bad do you want that? I mean literally if you want something bad enough and you believe in it and you will work your face off for it, there’s literally nothing in the world that can stop you from getting it like in there. And you can look throughout history of countless examples, but more than I than I even know of. Hmm.

Josh: 00:22:04 Do you think that we as a society, and this is more a much more of a political question or a social issue question, maybe more than like personal opinion, uh, type thing. Cause I did. I think you and I agree 100% on personal responsibility and we’re going to get into that more. But do you think that we as a society need to do a better job of helping felons that really do want to turn their life around when they get out of prison? Like normalize back into society? Or is it like, Hey, like you put yourself there, figure it out.

Zachary: 00:22:30 100%. So like, when, when are you gonna plug this? But I mean, it goes right into your, yeah, right into the question, dude. So that’s what, what I do right now is like, I hire convicted felons, not all convicted felons, but the ones that were like me that were ready to get to turn their life around. And, um, the reason why is because if you look at the recidivism rate nationwide in the U S it’s, it’s retarded. And, and there, there’s clearly something that’s not working.

Zachary: 00:22:58 So you could either be like, Oh, it’s just, people are screwed once they get to that point and they can’t change. But that’s not true. Um, so there the system, having gone through it myself, uh, and, and being in it, like the resources that are offered are complete bullshit dude. Like they are like the, the people that come in when you’re even in prison that you have to go through the classes. It’s retarded. It doesn’t help it then you can’t relate to those people coming in, you know, being in your position and then the resources afterwards when you get out, dude, it actually makes it harder for you to succeed because you have to go through all these stupid classes that aren’t even helping dude. And it’s not even, it’s not even valuable at all. They’re like, there’s no value added in there. And it takes away from the time that you had to get a job and to provide for your family and you don’t even have transportation.

Zachary: 00:23:44 It gets all these classes and on top of that, you can’t even get a job in most places anyways, coming out. Now, I’m not sitting here whining or complaining because you totally put yourself in that position. I get that. Right. But, but there could be a better solution. So, yeah, man. And that’s what, that’s what I’m doing is where I hired convicted felons, ones that really want to change your life because let’s face it, most people coming out of prison aren’t ready to change their life around. So they got to be ready and the ones that are, boom, they get a job and they start learning digital marketing and entrepreneurship. And then for the guy and for the guys that are ready to be entrepreneurs, boom, they could pop out of the nest and go do their own thing. Uh, really quickly. It won’t need our help for long.

Zachary: 00:24:20 And for the guys that aren’t cut out to be entrepreneurs, cause not everybody is, they can continue to work for us and get a pay raise and they have some stability on top of that. They have to go through this program where it’s like we’re assigned personal development books, stuff that’s gonna actually work on their character, work on themselves and develop themselves as a, you know, have a job and able to provide for their families at the same time. So they’re grown as a person and they’re able to provide for their family, all that man. So the goal with that, it’s a really crazy, crazy goal, but you know, Hey, the ones that are like Steve jobs as the ones that are crazy, I believe they can change the world, do to get a 9% or lower recidivism rate nationwide. It’s the goal, uh, in Missouri alone was like a 47 recidivism rate back in 2016 off of, uh, uh, things that are released on the internet if you Google it. So it’s, it’s a, yeah, it’s crazy, but there’s a lot of work to do, but that, Hey, that makes it more exciting.

Josh: 00:25:09 That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Well, I mean, congratulations and that’s an awesome goal. Um, what, what, and this last question I have specifically on this topic, but like if you could snap your fingers or instantly implement something where it was like, Hey, what, like what’s one thing that you would fix or change about the prison system that you think would severely impact for the positive? Uh, you know, the way people go in and out or come out, like that would really, really help promote change in there.

Zachary: 00:25:42 As soon as you get convicted and do your time, it’s wiped clean off your record. There’s no hint trace of it at all. And that you can get a job that does not held against you moving forward because yeah, it’s your marked for rest of your life and you’re not getting a job at, at most places and it really cripples you in a lot of areas. So you’re kind of like forced in entrepreneurship. It’s kind of way I had to go cause there was no way I was going to settle for anything else that was offered. But uh, that would be it.

Josh: 00:26:09 D do you like across the board or do you think there’s some like maybe like sexual offenses or things like that that should not be wiped clean?

Zachary: 00:26:18 Yeah. And then on top of that I would make it, uh, I would give people the death penalty for child abuse right out the gate. There’s no, I don’t care that you can come at me, dude. All you want on social media, whatever. Those people deserve to die in my opinion. That’s just my opinion. Child, pedophile, stuff like that. You raped a kid, a child, man. What’s wrong with you man? Yeah, you’re scumbag. There’s no, you’re just a dirt bag all the way and I don’t have no remorse or no pity you, but um, yeah, they should kill those people right out the gate.

Zachary: 00:26:45 I don’t care. I say that put it out there, but uh, but yeah, the, you know, certain offenses, you know, like, you know, brutally murdering people and stuff like the people that are really screwed up, you know, the, you know, let’s keep them away from society and stuff. But like for the, you know, for the guys that are, that makes a lot of dumb choices when they’re young and get involved with the wrong crowd, but really aren’t bad people just make bad choices. Give them a chance, the root to, to turn that around.

Josh: 00:27:11 Oh, okay. I can see that for sure. For sure. Okay. So let’s, I want to switch the topic now to maybe more of the entrepreneurship side of things cause [inaudible] I will say like, dude, you bet you booked some big people and you’ve done some awesome stuff. The branding on your podcast has been phenomenal. Um, and with everything. How did you, like, what was your, like I know you got out of prison, you were gonna have a choice, but like what was your kind of end entrepreneurship? How did you get into this whole game and why podcasting.

Zachary: 00:27:37 right on bro. I can say the same about your podcast. Super dope and looking forward to getting on this. Appreciate it. Yeah, dude, I got in funny, funny story. I started off in network marketing

Josh: 00:27:48 gateway drug to entrepreneurs.

Josh: 00:27:49 Yeah, exactly. Dude.

Zachary: 00:27:54 Broader. You know what it was so you couldn’t scare me off the word pyramids.

Josh: 00:27:56 And that’s the thing, dude, same the first ever one. I’ll never forget my buddy hit me up. He’s like, bro, I know you’re into this entrepreneurship stuff. I was like, heck yeah, I am. And he’s like, come in, I want you to meet a buddy of mine. I was like, all right. And so we go and there’s like 50, 60 people in the room and he’s like telling me about it and this time, 5,000 followers on Instagram. So I was like just getting started. Right. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is going to be amazing. I’m going to make all this money so I totally get it.

Zachary: 00:28:24 I know. Yeah. Dude, it sounds so familiar dude. It was a, it was amazing though, dude. And no, even though I haven’t done network marketing since the very end of 2016, I’m forever grateful for it though, man. Cause it taught me for one, uh, three key lessons I would say introduced me to personal development. Yeah. Uh, it, it, it showed me that I could create my life by design however I want and that my past doesn’t matter. And it also showed me how not to network.

Josh: 00:28:57 Yeah. That’s actually probably really good. Those are probably the three key takeaways that most network marketers that are no longer network marketers are. And to be fair, I want to say there are a few, they’re fairly far between that are good companies and there are a few people that do it right. Like I have a couple friends that kill it with network marketing that do it really, really well. And you know, I commend them for it. But like I love making fun of network marketers. They are so easy to make fun of it and we love you. Don’t get me wrong, like you’re awesome people. I’m not making fun of you, the person I am heavily making fun of how you do things because it’s just so fun. It’s all wrong. Yeah. But give credit where credit is due. The network marketing industry knows how to create customers better than like 95% of other industries out there, man. Like they kill it.

Zachary: 00:29:46 Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I couldn’t agree with you more. And I mean, it’s like, it’s like, um, you learn for the ones that are going through it. Dude, you’re, you’re, you’re learning a lot of valuable lessons going through that. But I mean, if you think about those, just like any industry mean there’s good and bad in every single industry. It just so happens network marketing gets a huge bad press strike on it because most of the companies don’t do it. Right. But there are some good ones. And like you mentioned, there are some really stand up network marketing professionals out there as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Josh: 00:30:14 So you got into network marketing or got out of it I guess.

Zachary: 00:30:17 Yeah. Got out of that. And at the end of 2016 I was like, I want to do what Gary Vaynerchuk’s doing. Like, cause I was like, I was like, that’s, that’s like that’s my style, but I didn’t need the man bro. And you know what I mean, watching it of his content anymore cause I can’t consume as much stuff as I used to, you know, but he’s still the man. Definitely. But, um, I didn’t know anything about business. I had a little bit of two years, two years worth of network marketing experience, but I didn’t know anything about business students. So I decided to become a life coach. And Josh doot, I didn’t make a single penny or help a single person as a life coach because I didn’t know anything about marketing. I hadn’t built up any type of skills yet as an entrepreneur. Uh, and I wasn’t solving a specific problem for specific type of person.

Josh: 00:31:02 And, and I, I might add that, um, you were a six time felon so people might not have taken you see, look,

Zachary: 00:31:09 I don’t want you to play because I don’t want to [inaudible] Oh, that’s so funny dude.

Josh: 00:31:19 But continuing on that, that’s a lot of in,

Zachary: 00:31:21 I no wonder why that fell flat on its face. Good. Uh, I, I did that man. I man, dude, for the, you know, this was beginning of 2017 all the way. Um, so when I launched a podcast who wasn’t getting anything and I started switching it to a business coach and, and I wasn’t even making money, so I was like, it was like a big circle jerk and was like, ah, but, um, you know what though, man, anytime I tried to, uh, collaborate with anybody, uh, any entrepreneur, nobody took me seriously. I was literally that ex-convict turn entrepreneur after thought that nobody gave the time of day to. And dude, I was heated. I was pissed, dude. I was like, dude, I get it. You know, everybody judges people like we’re literally hardwired that way either. It’s impossible not to judge people. All right, I get it. Um, but I wasn’t gonna let that judgment keep me in this box, you know? And I was like, dude, dude. And I was like, I’m, I’m, I’m mad at this dude, like I’m breaking out. And so out of that pain and out of that frustration, uh, I decided to launch The Underdog Empowerment Podcast, April, 2018. Uh, it’s crazy because third day became a top rated podcasts or, and then the next week had Billy Gene is marketing on the show. So I literally went in a week’s worth of time from nobody wanting to collaborate with me at all too, interviewing celebrities and doing house asleep.

Josh: 00:32:40 How did you land Billy Gene on your show?

Zachary: 00:32:42 Dude, I hit him up like, eh, like that’s the secret is the secret slide into them DM [inaudible] Oh my gosh.

Josh: 00:32:56 And in this case, celebrity DMD is not hot chicks GMs.

Zachary: 00:32:59 Right? Right. But you gotta, you gotta approach it like, uh, like the hashtag, you know how, how you approach the hot chick DM. You’re like, you’re not just going to shoot a a weak shot. You’re gonna like, okay, I’m going to come at this. I’m gonna think about it from her perspective. Yeah. Dude’s coming at her all the time like this. Like how can I come at a unique angle that’s going to appeal to her? Same thing with the celebrity Zune.

Josh: 00:33:22 I th I think you’re really onto something there. And for all of you people that are like, Joshua, you know, a good Christian boy, blah blah, blah. I am like, I’m not in any way telling you to go hit on a bunch of hot chicks. All right. But, but that being said, I had my time in day when I was, you know, good at getting attention. Texting, yeah. Whatever. But like, I think that if you approach that, like if you, that’s an analogy that most people can understand, right? Like the people ask me all the time, and I’ve always been a people person. Now people automatically assume that just because you’re a people person, you’re good at sales. Newsflash, that is not the case. But um, when it comes to people, like I’ve always been really good with people and people ask me about that.

Josh: 00:34:03 They’re like, how are you so good with people? You know, how are you able to do this or how, and I’m like, because I go at it fully understanding that they also have intentions and that they’re also human and like, you know, the hot shit gets hit up by all the guys and you know what? The celebrities getting hit up by all the media and the big time entrepreneurs get hit up by everybody that wants them to promote their thing or get attention or leverage them or whatever. And really we’re all human and really the only thing that we all want is like there’s an errant and you study influence and psychology and all that. Like we all have a desire for material, self interest. Like we just do, we all want to be liked. We all want to feel good and we all like want that desire to it. So when you come at it from that angle, like I’m sure Billy Jean gets set up all the time for podcasts, but I’m guessing the first DMEs sent him wasn’t yo dude want to be on my podcast? Was it? Oh no. All right. [inaudible] and.

Zachary: 00:34:57 you know it’s funny too. [inaudible] exactly dude. It’s it, you come at it like [inaudible] in your own way. You just, the best way to put it man, is be real and, and, and figure out ways to offer them what’s in it for them. There’s always, you know, that’s with any situation, literally that’s the, that’s the key to any type of relationship. Even not even selling because everything is persuasion. Let’s be real. Yeah. And, and so always think about what’s in it for the other person. How can this be helpful to them? Cause everybody, that’s what, uh, anybody else cares about anyways. And uh, yeah man,

Josh: 00:35:26 H H still like some of these people that, I mean, Billie Gene one thing, but like you got Bradley, you got Alex murmur. I said his name. How’s Marie? Like it’s, it’s funny, I even get in contact with those people like first, like someone like me that has an audience and that, and I know you have an audience now, like more so, but like I’m very blessed because at a young age I hit success early and I mean, I hustled my face off working 18 hours a day for three years. Don’t get me wrong. But like I sometimes forget that I live in an alternate reality to a lot of people, right? Like I have the ability to like DM Russell Brunson. Right, right. You know what I mean? Or like be homeys with Steve Lars, you know, I like big names, but like Alex merges, sold his company for $300 million. Right? That’s not someone that’s just going to reply to a text to anybody. How, how did you, like, how do you get in touch with those people? How do you stand out and make yourself different?

Zachary: 00:36:21 I literally [inaudible] and now I am pitching, the first thing is a pitch and it’s really short and sweet. I don’t go over the top. Um, and I just mentioned, Hey man, want to interview on my top rated podcasts? Can we make it happen? Literally that simple. Hit them up on Instagram, get their emails from their websites, whatever. Just hustle around, figure out any point of contact that I could break through. A lot of times you’re gonna run into gatekeepers. That’s cool too. A lot of times they’re looking to get on podcasts. Just really just shooting the shot.

Josh: 00:36:48 Yeah. And I think podcasting specifically is um, a hot topic right now too. I think one of the most underrated things that’s taught in entrepreneurship, and I’d love to know your thoughts on this is riding trends. Um, not to take advantage of people’s money, right? Like not to scam people or things like that, but like when there’s a trend where the attention is going, people want to go that direction. And like I rode the trend on Instagram. I am currently riding the trend as are you of podcasting now I don’t think you and I are going anywhere. Right. And I think that’s what makes us different. Like is that we are riding this trend to podcasting, but when podcasting stops becoming cool, we’re not going to stop podcasting, right? Like we’re going to be around, we’re creating a brand. And I like, dude, mad respect for what you’ve done with love branding, the socks and the backdrop. I mean like I’m doing the same thing with, you know, like thinking like a marketer like that. But like for you finding those leverage points and writing up those trends, how much is that served you in getting to where you’re at now,

Zachary: 00:37:47 bro? Um, it’s crazy. A podcasting dude, like I mentioned, it’d be four podcasts and nobody wanting to collaborate with me. Literally nobody didn’t add a week after. And then I started interviewing celebrities. So think about that man. Relationships, in my opinion, is the third most valuable asset in life next to time and health. I know of no one anything better than relationships other than time and health. And so relationships was one of the hardest thing for me to build. And when it comes to business, dude, relationships are ultra important dude. And if you think about podcasting as, yes, of course a way to document things and educate and entertain your audience and help them, but also as a networking tool, dude, it’s, it’s gay dude.

Zachary: 00:38:34 We’re sitting here. I don’t think, I don’t, I’m not sure if we would even come into contact if we didn’t have podcasts. You know what I’m saying? So were we, Oh, we got this dope relationship now because of a podcast and it did this happen in so many other cases, I noticed the same for you. So, and I’m pretty sure, yeah. And I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of a business opportunities that obtained from your podcasts. You know what I know.

Josh: 00:38:54 huge. Huge. Yeah. And, and just the people that you get to meet, like the other day we, uh, we just dropped an episode with a guy named David Finkel. No clue who this guy is, right? Like no social media presence. Like you’d never know. You get on with them. And, and someone that I interviewed on the podcast introduced me to him and was like, Hey, you should know this guy. I was like, all right, sweet. We’ll interview him like whatever. We don’t, by the way, we don’t release every interview that we do, right? Like we do, I do a lot of interviews that we don’t release. This dude is scaled $62 billion in companies. 62 billion, dude. I’m like, nobody with a B billion would’ve been impressive. This is billion, right? This guy a big time dude. No, you know, and he had a book coming out so I was like, yeah, I’ll get on your podcast with you. And now we’re like, we’re friends and like, you know, we’ve emailed back and forth and he’s like been helping me with some business advice and stuff and I’m like, that came through the relationship with the podcast that came. And like so many relationships that I had were built when I was doing my Facebook groups, right? Like I wrote the base book group stuff and that was more of a trend for me.

Josh: 00:39:52 I mean, I actually kind of hopped off of it, but like, uh, like so many relationships are built there. And I love what you’re saying with that is, is like when you’re just intentional and you go out and use those, like can get so much done there.

Zachary: 00:40:04 Dude. It’s a, it’s, it’s, it’s a game changer. 100%.

Josh: 00:40:07 Yeah, 100%. Um, had a question there with that though that I was going off with that, uh, podcasting, I can’t remember what it was. So when it comes to what, what’s your vision though, I know you kind of briefly talked about this though with a, you know, kind of your vision to help, uh, felons and things like that, but like the underdog empowerment movement, which by the way, guys, if you’re listening right now, we’ll link his podcast down below. We’ll talk about it and hear more at the end as well. But just real quick, where are they? Can they go find you with the underdog empowerment?

Zachary: 00:40:37 Yeah, man. Uh, it’s pretty much on any podcast platform that you listen to podcasts too. But to make it really simple and easy for you, you can go to underdog and scroll down right to where it says subscribe to the podcast and it gives the option for iTunes, Spotify, Google play, Stitcher. But whichever.

Josh: 00:40:52 Yeah. All right. So we’ll link that down below and guys check it out. And the number one thing that drives, uh, you know, ratings rate rating and reviews. Let me look that rating and review. Um, what’s the goal with the podcast? Cause I think one of the things that I’ve been, uh, figuring out within different theory, I mean, I’m 25 years old and I’m about to go take a four month world trip. So I have a feeling that once I get back from that, I might have a, a little bit broader perspective and you know, the world and kind of figure out what I want to do. But like, you know, there’s podcasting, right? You can have a podcast and then there’s a podcast that has a brand around it. I think, um, you know, you’re, you’re definitely doing something right with the brand and, and trying to build that up. Like what’s the ultimate goal with the podcast? And like, where do you see it three years, five and then down the road.

Zachary: 00:41:34 Absolutely, dude. And you’re, you’re doing the same thing, like crushing it with The Think Different Theory. And I love, that’s why I was really excited about, uh, getting on the show. And when you asked me who, like, Hey, can we redo the interview? I was like, of course I want to be on the show, dude. Yeah. But a dude. So I talk about it. Uh, it’s, it’s the most important thing that I, that I, that I teach literally every single one of my clients that I’ve worked with. Yeah. We get into all the Ninja hacks about growing your monthly downloads organically by at least a thousand or more each month. The monetizing of it that get in celebrities, all that stuff, which is all cool and exciting. But the most important piece, bro, is what I call the four W’s of longterm podcast is success. And that’s knowing and I just, I’m not even going to break it all the way down into yeah, take a second, but no one, what is your podcast about?

Zachary: 00:42:21 Who is it for, where are you taking them on your podcast and why should they listen to you? And if you get really clear on those, those four metrics or you can create something really special. So to answer your question, where do we take the underdog empowerment brand? It’s gonna be, it’s the number one resource for hundred entrepreneurs to level up in their passive income business. And obviously the goal, I’m literally, if I’m, I’m looking for the right and I had my vision board and right there has my logo on her dog empowerment number one podcast in iTunes in the business category. You got to hit that man. I know it’s lofty goal, but that’s definitely out. I just cause I believe in it so much man. And I know there’s so many people that can resonate with that underdog. And then we all feel like underdog and we’re, and we all are underdogs.

Zachary: 00:43:04 If you think about it, anytime you’re working on a new goal that you’ve never achieved before, you’re an underdog because you’ve never done it before. You know when you first tried to walk, you are not underdogs. You never walked before and he fell over and over. So it’s like, man, who’s the say that you can’t have something that you want when everybody’s like, there’s no way you’re going to make that happen. So I feel like everybody can resonate with that.

Josh: 00:43:24 Hmm. That’s super, super cool. And like having the direction, I mean that’s so marketing as well, like that direction of like you’ve got to take people on this journey, right? Like this is where we’re going, this is where we’re headed. And like I would imagine even more so with the underdogs because I feel like, you know, they just, a lot of underdog people should relate to each other. But like how have you seen like the support of the people that follow you grow as you’ve grown and gotten more clear on that?

Zachary: 00:43:55 It’s been crazy. Like, legit, like, so before I finally, I used to, I used to fake and be an imposter. What I mean by that is I used to walk around in suits all the time and I’m not knocking me for walking around in suits all the time, but me, I don’t belong in a damn suit, bro. Yeah. Well that’s not my, that’s not my style. And, um, and I would act like I was positive all the time on social media and I never would cuss. And I w and that’s not me, man. Like, eh, like, dude, I’m like, I got it just like everybody does. We all have these dark thoughts, emotions and desires. We all a dark side and it’s all about using that dark side to do good things with people that act like they don’t have a dark side.

Zachary: 00:44:37 So you’ve got to really watch out for. But, um, dude, um, when I stopped faking and acting like, you know, I was like positive all the time and I just started being myself and like, dude, no, I get, I get pissed when people count me out. And I’m like, dude, I’m, I’m coming for it. I’m coming to dominate like and like and like we’re doing this or nothing. And when I started like, just being real and really speaking my thoughts, not trying to be polarizing to be polarizing but ended up being polarizing sometimes just because I was speaking on stuff that I really believed in. Um, that’s when like the, the started really having a tight knit, uh, audience, people that started following me consistently and that resonated people that you know, feel and believe in the same way.

Josh: 00:45:18 Yeah. I think that’s super important because like you do create that brand, that identity, that and that vulnerability is, speaks so much, right? Like people need to see the complete picture in order to completely buy in. You know what I mean? Like, um, if they only see the good, they’re going to be really bought in and when things are good, but if you never show them the bad, but then when all of a sudden the bad really comes, which it will, it always does for everybody ever. Right. Then you know, people aren’t going to buy into that because you haven’t shown them that, that side of you, you know? And so like I feel like when you’re creating this brand and when you’re creating content, when you’re, you’re building an audience, like you’ve got to show all sides, which do, I mean I try to do that as well.

Josh: 00:46:03 I mean, I tried to share my mistakes, my wins and my losses when I’m going through because I want people to buy into this complete picture of, of the brand. And I think that, you know, in the, I mean, I haven’t known you for that long, but since I’ve been following you, I feel like you do that really well. Like you’re someone that like, you put out all sides with stuff, by the way, that, I mean, I don’t agree with everything you say and I wouldn’t expect you to everything I say, but like, you know, at the same time I’m like, alright, I know what I’m getting when I, you know, listened to Zachary, like I know. Do you go by Zachary Zachary primarily?

Zachary: 00:46:35 Uh, I mean, this is, everybody calls music. I branded myself technically as Zachary or whatever. So if you want to rank up on my, on my name on iTunes, when he would do it, you’d do Zachary does that.

Josh: 00:46:45 Like what? Like I know what I’m getting right? And I, there’s no BS, there’s no fluff. It’s like, all right, I know what I’m going here. And I think that, and I kind of want to transition to this topic because I’m dying to know your thoughts on this. Um, I think that that’s why people like Trump and I, I, uh, I just did, I just did a, an interview with someone a two hours long, a woman who you might know her, Julie’s Stoian, and she’s big marketer who is anti Trump, right? Like, she doesn’t like Trump. And you know, the big argument that she put out there was an, and I feel like this is for most people that don’t, like Trump is like his character, right? And I’m like, I love this character, dude. Not all everything it, but I love his character. So, so like I disagree with Trump from a moral perspective in a lot of areas. I disagree with this character a lot of ways and you know, we can differ. That’s fine. But my point back is like, I don’t think anybody that voted for him thought he was an angel.

Josh: 00:47:46 You know what I’m saying? And so like, I think the reason, and not taking necessarily like analyze Trump or why he won or whatever, but like, I think that why people like Donald Trump as much as they do and equally hate him as much as they do, is that the people that love Donald’s from, they’re like, we know what we’re going to get with Donald Trump. We know that he’s going to be crazy. We know that he’s going to say unexpected things. We know he’s not going to take crap from everyone. We know he’s going to tell reporters that they’re fake news. We know he’s gonna get stuff done. Right? Like, and when you, you do that and people can be like, well, you don’t know what you’re gonna get with him. He’s crazy. He’ll just say anything you’re like, exactly. And we know that, right? Like, you know what you’re getting when you’re go into that. And so, um, I, you know, I think that that’s really, really big. But in transitioning there, I’m curious to know your thoughts on Trump and his political dealings with everything. Like, do you like Trump? Do you not like why you guys clearly you like Trump, but like what do you like Trump, you’re not like Trump. What do you like not like about him? Uh, why do you think people have such an issue with it?

Zachary: 00:48:45 I got the underdog hat on right now. If I could reach it, I’d put the, put the mega head on. But uh, uh, but dude, so it’s funny. Yesterday, uh, I was, I was joking with my boys and I was like, Hey, your dad used to be a monster. A beast sued way bigger than I am now. That’s why I’ve been in the gym working so hard, trying to get back to, it’s asking me why do I always work out or whatever. We, cause we went to the gym and, um, and they’re like, can you show me a picture? So I’m scrolling through my Facebook, you know, trying to pull up pictures from when they were first born five years ago. And as I’m scrolling through, I see my Trump posts, it’s literally on my Facebook on August 3rd of 2016 right before he got elected, I made a prediction and I said, not only do I support Trump, I think he’s going to go down as the greatest president in history when it’s all said and done with.

Zachary: 00:49:30 And the reason why I said that is because at the time, dude are the, one of our biggest, biggest struggles was our economy. And there is never been a president in office besides Trump that is understand money the way that he does. He’s an entrepreneur. We needed like that entrepreneur leader in office and it was something completely different. I was all for it. I’m like, hell yes dude. I love his personality to be Frank. Dude. I love Duke cause I, I’d get like that way too, dude. I tell people like if I don’t a group, like not being a, um, not being a, a douchebag or anything, but if like there’s somebody like, let’s be for real man, life is war bro. Like it really is like you, there’s, you want to collaborate and work with people. But like when it comes down to it, man, when push comes to shove, if it’s like, if you die or they die, like, man, what’s going to happen? You’re going to protect yourself or your family and stuff. So I love that mentality, that alpha, like, Hey, I gotta go make it happen. This

Josh: 00:50:28 is our country. We need something that, cause right now doubled the president before we’ve been put ourselves in such a C pole dude. Like we could literally probably have like a four hour conversation about [inaudible]. But uh, yeah, to, to sum it up though, man, I, I don’t love it. Everything that he does. Cause sometimes I’m like, yeah, that was kinda crazy, you know, or whatnot. But I like his boldness. I like his vision and I like his, uh, aggressiveness. I think it’s definitely what we needed. Yeah. I would say this about Trump and you know, I’ve been pretty vocal in my support of him. Um, not his character and always, but you know, him and his policy specifically, I think that, you know, people that don’t like Trump, I don’t think they understand maybe what Trump it has allowed them to do as well because I think that like I’m a huge supporter of both sides of the aisle.

Josh: 00:51:22 I believe that diversity and the, the discussion of ideas is very, very important. And there’s very, very few ideas upon which I will not like be like, I’ll see the other side on that. Like murder is wrong, right? Like that’s not an idea that I’m going to discuss. But you know, there are a 95% of other ideas that are not black in life. Like, you know, killing someone. And I think that that’s the cornerstone of society. I think what Trump did was Trump took a society that was so turned off to politics. They didn’t care to vote. They just thought they had no choice. They thought they had no say and literally walked in and shook up this political system, blew the top off of it, realized that like, yeah, Trump is corrupt, there’s no question about that, right? Like, yeah, he’s done some stuff in, in his business dealings that everybody’s corrupt though.

Josh: 00:52:15 Right? Right, exactly. And so what I’m saying is yes, we can choose to alienate him and yell at him and scream at him and yup, you made a $100,000 a year. He made a billion. Right. So like, yup. He’s, his problems are literally, you know, 100,000 times bigger, right. Not just like hype. Like they’re literally that much bigger. So like it’s going to be that much more amplified. But what he did was he gay, like he woke up society to these problems and he stirred the pot and he brought to the top all this crap that we weren’t dealing with. We wanted to be like, Oh, hunky Dory. And like Trump can sit there and be like, Oh yeah, whatever’s not a thing when, okay, yeah, Trump, you can say that. But clearly some of the stuff that he says is like, I mean, yeah, that, that is still a problem.

Josh: 00:52:59 Like, you know, he can say, I don’t know if he’s ever said this but don’t quote me, but he could be like racism isn’t a thing. And I’m like, I’m not going to say Trump is a racist, but I am gonna say that no, there is still definitely racism in, in the,

Zachary: 00:53:08 on both sides, on both sides. And it’s not just, it’s not just uh, whites being racist against blacks, blacks being against racial ones, white 100% every spectrum in every race and every culture.

Josh: 00:53:20 Exactly. But he’s brought that to light and now we can go, Oh, I guess America so hunky Dory, right? Like he’s making it great again in the sense of we’re having conversations that matter and while I do think that he is going to get reelected, I think that there is nothing that would lead me to believe that it is not going to be an absolute landslide provided the economy holds up. Like, if the economy holds up, like I just don’t think the Democrats have a shot. I believe that. And call me crazy down here on the burn. I’m not, well, I’m certainly not feeling the burn like my Dre cat, but, um, but I mean I voted for Trump. I love Trump. I mean like I’ll vote for him again, but I think the Democrats did this to themselves. Like I was watching you. I’m sure you know Ben Shapiro. Dude’s a beast. He’s a beast, right? But he said something that makes, he’s 100% right. He’s like, literally the only thing the Democrats had to do to win the 2020 election is not be insane. And they’re not doing that. Like they’re insane. Like, you know what I mean? Like, right. The, the, the ideas that they are proposing socialism are not cool, right? Like I know a lot of Republicans, a lot of people that do not like Trump, right?

Josh: 00:54:30 But when there, the alternative to Trump is, let me tax you at 70%. Well, let me, let know. Let me go and let’s install universal basic income. Let’s go. I mean just do like crazy, insane things [inaudible] and say crazy things and try to attack Trump. You’re not going to beat Trump by attacking him. It’s impossible. He doesn’t care. Right. And so when you look at that, you go, no, if you want to be Trump and Democrats, if you’re listening, please like take my advice. If you want to win, I mean don’t because I don’t want you to win. But like Hey, like listen to me here, like if you want to beat Trump, you don’t play Trump at his own game, you can’t beat him. He’s the best. He doesn’t give a single, I am not, I’m not really aware. But like he doesn’t care how you beat him is you play the card of being caring and articulate and you go, you know you go through and you present ideas that are going to unite us and go through and they’re not doing that.

Josh: 00:55:23 Right. And so for me, I look at Trump and I go, if you’re a Democrat right now sucks to be you because your, your party’s terrible. Like they don’t know how to market. They don’t know how to win elections right now. I’m not calling you a bad person. I don’t think Democrats are evil people like I don’t think any of that. I do think that you’re going to lose the election and I don’t think it’s going to be close, but maybe I could be wrong.

Zachary: 00:55:40 And I think Bernie Sanders is definitely evil with the socialism idea, but.

Josh: 00:55:44 I don’t think Bernie Sanders is inherently evil. I don’t think he’s an evil person. I think that some of his ideas breed ideas that are less than ideal and could lead to evil acts. But I think that that’s a dangerous road to go down calling someone evil. But all that being said, aye. I think that Trump was absolutely the best possible thing that could’ve happened to American society because he woke people up because he started the pot because he made people realize, hole leak. We’ve got issues in our political system. We’ve got to go fix these things. I don’t agree with everything Trump has done, but on the places that matter, and I’ve said this over and over and over again, and I apologize, I’m talking a lot here, but uh, in order for you to have a country, you know what three things you need. You need a border, you need an economy and you need middle class and unit. I was, yeah, middle class, but I was going to say military defense against for an invasion. Yup. No, what Trump has done, the economy is in the process of, I don’t like look at the facts. I’ve seen people down at the border, even Julia who doesn’t like Trump has said we need a border.

Josh: 00:56:50 Okay, he’s secure. Help secure the border. And he’s increased the military and made the military proud to be a military again. So I look at that and I go, let’s debate the social issues. You can debate the social issues in four years. And Trump’s out of office. He’s not a King, right? Like he’s not going to be there for the rest of your life. It’s four years or eight years. Deal with it. We dealt with eight years of Obama’s crap. You can go with one of the worst presidents of all time. I didn’t like Obama, but I think we needed to respect him and I’m going to get, I didn’t, I didn’t say he wasn’t my president. Right, exactly. And I think supported them. Right. And I want like he’s the, he was the leader of our ship. I didn’t agree with everything that he did, but I didn’t wish his demise.

Josh: 00:57:31 Right. And I will give credit where credit is due. For those of you that think, I can’t say one bad thing about the Republican party or, or anything like that, or one good thing about Democrats, Obama, I didn’t go Bama from a character perspective as far as the type of person that he was as president was one of the most president type people that you would expect. He was very politically correct. Whether you agree with that or not. Like what I’m saying is, is like he, he did play the part very well. Trump, on the other hand, is the exact opposite of that. He’s probably the least, well political era, uh, presidential type person that you’d expect. And I love the guy, so, you know what I mean? Like there’s, there’s pros and cons to both, but I think that we in society need to have a conversation about real issues and just go, you know what?

Josh: 00:58:13 Hey, you don’t have to agree with this person, but he’s your precedent. Right. Like respect him. [inaudible] just like [inaudible] and I, I don’t, I’m not gonna vote for a Democrat, but that between you and I, I can’t wait for a Democrat to get back in office because I know that it’s not going to be Republicans for the rest of my life. You know why I can’t wait for a Democrat to be back in office because I cannot wait to make a post on Facebook that says that’s my president. You know what I mean? You know what I’m saying? Like, I’m not going to vote for the guy or girl or lady. You know who, who gets in there? I’m not, I’m probably not going to vote for them or support them, but the second they become president there, my president, and I’m going to hope that they win.

Josh: 00:58:52 And if, you know, if you’re for more spending and for thing, I’m going to call you out on those things. I’m going to differentiate myself, but you’re still my president because I’m still a United States citizen.

Zachary: 00:59:02 Exactly. Exactly. That’s it. And the, the, the words that now dude, like it’s ridiculous suit. And you know what, dude, I, dude, I hope this gets out and I hope this really offends some people because I feel like this message really needs to be spread. But dude, the way society is is rigged right now. It’s rigged and it’s, and it’s, it’s dude, uh, it, sorry for cut. Cause I don’t, can I, you know, you’re good. No, you’re fine. But, but dude, the way society is positioned right now is that if you’re a white male, you’re a bad person. So if you think about it, it’s almost worse being of white male than it is black man. It’s like you’re, you’re the underprivileged person at this point as far as like society and what’s cool or whatnot, right. Anytime you’re a white person do like, it’s like you’re bad dude. Like look at it. Look at how, how, how, how the, I don’t even watch TV, but I, I kinda, when I, when I, when I watch football where all that like it. And so like when Trump came in like everything like, Oh he’s racist cause he done, that’s been racist bro. Name one thing. What, how at what w is it just because he’s white that you’re saying he’s racist? Like let’s be for real. What racist thing has he ever done? There’s literally nothing that you can come up with. You know,

Josh: 01:00:14 I mean, well well [inaudible] I’m not here to, you know, try to cause a debate and an argument about that. I don’t believe that Trump is a racist person, but I believe that Trump has done racist type acts that would lead people to believe that he has in, no,

Zachary: 01:00:33 let’s be, let’s be for real too though. Everybody has, because let’s get to the deep root cause of this. Let’s be for real. Everybody you want to call it racist is a bad thing. Like when you’re doing like, like Adolf Hitler Bay, everybody is going to identify with other people that are like them with like with their own kind. That’s an every single human being. Anybody that says that they don’t is a liar. Yeah, there’s straight up line and so everybody has to an extent, let’s be for real. But does that make you a racist person in a hateful person? No, dude. Like dude, I know this is like a really touchy subject, but I don’t care, dude. I speak my mind on this stuff like this. This was for, but dude, it’s like, let’s be for real.

Zachary: 01:01:13 Let’s quit whining about stuff and let’s quit. Like the stuff like the stuff like, Oh, he’s racist because blah, blah blah. That’s what causes the race. Racial, racial tension. That’s what’s keeping you down. It’s when you could say like, dude, like let’s not, let’s not try and point fingers and try and point the race car. Let’s just figure out and focused on solutions instead of focusing on, Oh, he did something, he’s racist or he’s privileged or he’s underprivileged. Like until you stop looking at it in those terms, it’s always going to be a problem. It’s always going to raise more issues. You know what I mean?

Josh: 01:01:43 Yeah. And I think that, you know, perspective is everything to, there was an analogy that, you know, someone told me one time that I think was really interesting and you say, we, you know, we go back to, we all have our inherent instincts as humans, right? We all want to be safe. And we all have based on where we grew up, our perception of what is safe and not safe and to stick with our own kind. And there was a perfect example that someone said like, imagine there’s a road and there’s like [inaudible] three, three, three passes, you can walk down, right? And the first one you’re walking down, you have your, your young kid with you. And the first one, you’re, you’re going down and you see a, you know, Hispanic or you know, a Mexican, a minority of some sort, right? Uh, that is clearly like not well off, like they’re poor.

Josh: 01:02:28 Um, then they’re walking towards you, they’re coming towards you. Maybe they’ve got ripped up clothes, maybe they look like they’re shot up on drugs or you know, something like that. Maybe not super threatening, they don’t have a gun or a weapon, but, uh, you know that you’re probably going to, could walk across the street and go with your, you know, your young child, you’re going to go to the place where there’s, that person’s not there, right? But then if you get to the other side of the street and there’s just a big, huge muscular black dude that just looked like he could just mess you up, right? Like you’re probably going to be like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Not going to go there. So you’re going to go, you know, the next one over. Right. And then immediately form an opinion. Everybody. All right, you immediately a form an opinion and then you go to the last one there and there’s a white dude and this white dude is covered in tattoos and which the white male, right covered in tattoos.

Josh: 01:03:11 He’s on the phone, he’s cussing and swearing or whatever. This, that and the other. I guess what you’re probably going to do, probably going to go back to one of the other two streets, right? Why? Because you want like you have a tendency to go to the place where there’s least fear in your mind now, right? Is it right for you? Any one of you to assume or judge any one of those three people based on just looks or the color of their skin or what they’re saying, no, it’s not right for you. And one could be like, well, yeah, if it was just a white dude, he wasn’t cussing, he didn’t have tattoos, you probably wouldn’t do that. And I’m like, ma, maybe so, but the fact of the matter is we all are going to go to the place where we feel the most safe, especially when we have our kids around.

Josh: 01:03:49 Especially when we have people that we love around, we’re going to go protect them. And so if society as a whole has told us that, you know, we have a reason to be scared of these people, then you know, we’re going to have that thing. And unfortunately we have like we’ve been told that now that you hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I’m not, but that being said, what I’m not saying is that we need to always buy into those stereotypes and that we, that we would need to, um, like forced that agenda because we act one way and are gonna protect our kids based on what we know doesn’t make us a bad person. And just because I might be or someone might be a little nervous because I someone of color and, or someone of, you know, covered in tattoos or someone that looks like they’re on drugs.

Josh: 01:04:36 W we’re going to react a certain way that we are told to doesn’t make us a racist, doesn’t make us something that this. But society as a whole has told us, Hey, be scared of black people. What are you talking about? There’s, there’s no reason to, well, so we’re gonna act out of nature, but that doesn’t make us a racist. So we do need to change the narrative, but we need to face the problem as a whole rather than look at a singular act that someone has done and be like, you’re a racist because you walked across the street when a black person or a Mexican, or I’m Kaya and tattoos was walking down the street towards you.

Zachary: 01:05:06 That’s ridiculous. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I get what you’re saying. I am agreements with a lot of it too. And I would almost say like, yeah, a lot of it’s conditioning and, but you think about it, man, it’s the fear of unknown that all of us have. You know what I’m saying? And so that’s why you automatically gravitate to people of your own kind of stuff that’s more familiar in that, you know, it’s a natural, it’s literally how every human being is hardwired. So anyways, they’re not, that’s a lot. Yeah, you’re wired that way. They’re brothers. No, there’s no way getting around that psychology right there. Right. But also, man, think about it man. It’s like, and to give, give some examples of what I’m saying cause I’m pretty sure I’m going to get a lot of people coming at me. I’m, I’m ready for it. I, I thrive off this stuff cause I feel like it’s such a, a key, I feel like man, dude, I feel like so many people are not speaking their mind on it. They’re like, all right. So for instance, what’s that? W was it in, I can’t remember where it was in basketball or football or something.

Zachary: 01:05:58 The owner got like, did he, he did something, said something racist or whatnot and uh, and it was a big uproar. And then like he got his ownership taken away and I might be wrong, but what was it like the Carolina Panthers? Oh, that happened. I want to say, I don’t think he got his ownership taken away, but I think maybe you guys saw, I think it was Jim or say of the Colts. Jim Ursa or the Colts in the, there was something else that happened in, in, in, in basketball too. And like that’s why Adam silver became like the commissioner. Maybe. So I don’t, I don’t remember. Yeah, I remember all the, the players were like, Hey these, these, these, these owners are racist or whatnot and stuff. And I get in if they’re doing stuff like that. Yeah. That seems scumbag, you know, call them out on it.

Zachary: 01:06:36 But dude didn’t, didn’t Antonio Brown just called Mike [inaudible] Cracker and what’s it, where’s the uproar about that? What does that mean? Is that, is that okay for, for Antonio Brown is cause he’s Antonio Brown because he’s black and Mike Meyocks white from the column of crackers and that isn’t that right or wrong?

Josh: 01:06:52 So the argument on that, which I disagree with, but I’m just going to present the alternate argument to that was to say that, well, yeah, but black Pegville never owned white people as slaves.

Zachary: 01:07:03 That’s actually white people were oppressed before. You want to go into history, go deep into it. White people were oppressed before, like dude, Iraqi, like I don’t know, the Israeli Institute, they were like one of the most oppressive, like if you go through it, it’s been throughout the, not saying it’s right or wrong, it’s been through way before though. Black people were, uh, being brought over here and all. It’s wrong. And, and slavery is a horrible thing, but racism on any side and making comments like that as bad. But it’s only a bad thing when a white person says something about a black person in today’s society. And that’s wrong in an in and of itself. Yeah, dude, there’s been other counts. Uh, do not. It’s, it’s, it’s hard to hard. Remember there’s been so many of them that you can bring up. We were like, yeah, well that happened to, how come that’s not a big issue or big deal? Forget that dude. It’s an issue, period. Anytime that you’re, you’re doing it, it’s causing a divide. So it should be called out on both ends. It’s not, it’s not. Okay. So, so black women just call, walk around by these crackers, these honkies or whatever, and treat them all sorts of type of different way. But anytime if a white person like w looks them, we’ve always raised for something and make a big deal. Like what kind of society would we live in if, if, if it’s like that, it’s not cool, right?

Josh: 01:08:10 No, not at all. And I want to go back to and finish the analogy that I was talking about with the, the streets with what you said about people coming on, like relating or, or getting around people that are like them. So there’s that aspect of things, but there’s a second part to that story. Guess what? If a black person was walking down the street and they came across a white person and they saw them and they were well dressed or whatnot, or whatever you want to say, like they looked threatening to them, guess what they’re gonna do is they’re going to walk across the street. And if they come across a Mexican person that looks like they’re shot up on drugs or, and I’m not singling out Mexicans, I’m just saying minority, like don’t people don’t take my words out of context here, but like you know, they come across that then they’re probably going to go. But then if that black person also gets to the far side of the street and there’s a black person that’s all super jacked up and looks like they go mess them up and his cousin’s screaming on the phone, guess what they’re going to do?

Josh: 01:09:03 They’re probably gonna go back to the one of the original streets where the other people were. And so it’s like, to your point, we’d naturally gravitate towards people that we can relate to best and that is going to put us in the least amount of danger and fear. And so while it’s terrible that people say racist things, we also have to remember that like never before in history have we been as connected as we are and do we see the negative side of things? Guess what spreads on social media, negativity, drama, all that crap. That’s what gets clicks it. What gets attention is what brings the headlines there is equally in the amount of good of black and white people getting along just fine and, and minority people don’t point that they don’t. And like everyone says Josh, the stupidest thing you can possibly say and to say that you’re not racist is, Oh, I have a black friend.

Josh: 01:09:49 Well guess what people like one of my closest homeys ever. Like literally top three best friends like my, I would die for this dude is a black dude. His name is Micah. Right? Like I would like, he’s my homie. Right. And I would do anything for that dude. And so like, like you look at that and you go, does racism exist? Yup, absolutely. Do even eye someone like me act in such a way when the, the unknown or what is not familiar to me is there that could be interpreted as as racist. Yes. If I’m around a bunch of black people in a, in a negative environment or a like a the, the slums or something like that and I’m not trying to play on stereotypes and I’m just giving a context, am I, is my guard going to be a little bit more up in defense?

Josh: 01:10:35 Yes. And that could be determined as racist. But equally if I was in the slums of a bunch of white people, I would do the exact same thing. Same thing. And so like, and two people be like, well you know, you would, you wouldn’t be as guarded or whatever. I was like, maybe not because they’re my like I understand that’s familiar to me, right? Like yeah, it is.

Zachary: 01:10:53 I mean you’ve traveled to this place you’ve never been before, haven’t you been on guard?

Josh: 01:10:57 Right, exactly.

Zachary: 01:10:58 I don’t know this environment, I don’t know these people. I’m going to watch my ass cause I don’t want to get killed.

Josh: 01:11:02 And I think that when it comes to that though, like there is a different mentality among black people, white people, Asian, Hispanic, Chinese, Indian, like it’s different mentality. We’re all people. We’re all human, but to go and be like, Hey, is the vibe with a bunch of black dudes and this conversation I’m gonna get crucified for, I just know is the, is the vibe with a bunch of black dudes the exact same as a vibe with a bunch of Chinese dudes? The exact same as a vibe with a bunch of white dudes. Exact same with a buy with a bunch of uh, uh, Hispanic dudes. Everybody stay for them. It’s a totally different environment. It’s a totally different,

Zachary: 01:11:40 the cultures are completely different. Every single one of those.

Josh: 01:11:42 Exactly. And while we’re all equal human beings and we should treat people with respect, what I am saying is you’re going to act differently around large groups of people in certain areas. B, stereotypes exist for a reason. Now, let me clarify that statement by saying, I am not saying that stereotypes are true always, but I am saying that the only reason that stereotypes exist, whether or not they’re true or not, the reason that they exist is because there are differences. Right? So whether the stereotype is true or not, the only reason, the fact that that reason exists is because there’s a difference some way somehow.

Josh: 01:12:17 And so for people to go and be like, well, you treated this person this way. I didn’t like, I remember the first time, like I really, really ticked off someone of color when I made a comment and it wasn’t the N word or anything like that, but it was just as common. No, I had no clue that this would take them off. Right. Like NOCO it was a joke about something. I don’t even remember what it was, but I remember sitting there, he was pissed and I was like, what did I say? And so like every time I was around, no, I like would like be afraid that I was going to say something to piss them off. Not that I was afraid of them, but I was just afraid that I was going to take them off on accident because it was a different culture.

Josh: 01:12:49 Right. It was a different way. And so I’m like, we’re now living in America, which I would argue is probably the most diverse culture about diverse nation in the world, right? The melting pie, especially that you go to like New York city, right? Like so you get that you’re going to piss somebody off, you’re going to do something that comes across as racist. People have called me anti-black, anti blah, blah, blah. And like I’ve said, things that make people think I’m not a gun lover, that, Oh, you’re anti-gun. What are you kidding me? Like I’m the most pro gun, second amendment person, but people have called me anti-gun for comments that I have made. It’s ridiculous. Right? People would call me racist and I’m like, what are you talking about? There’s not a racist. I don’t give a what color your skin is. I just don’t, it’s the most ridiculous thing. Am I going to act differently around different colors of people or different types of people? Probably because it’s unknown. Right. But like that doesn’t make me a racist, but you know what I mean? It’s just crazy.

Zachary: 01:13:33 Yeah, exactly. I mean, dude, you, you get around it. Let’s just, let’s just keep it up. You say you run all white people and you get around like some, some entrepreneurs, they’re all white, right? And they’re all building a business and they’re all grown and stuff. You’re going to act a certain way around them, right? Cause you’re going to fall into the group, uh, the, what’s it called in psychology, uh, Robert Greene talks about it at her herd mentality. Yeah, it happens. So you’re going to be influenced by the group. All right. And same thing, if you’re around a bunch of white trash jr, uh, uh, drinking drug in like people or whatever, you’re going to act a certain different way. And B, it’s, it doesn’t matter about a specific a color gender, it’s just like the group as a whole. So that’s just how human psychology is. Uh, but yeah, man, it’s crazy, man. It’s uh, it’s, uh, we, we, we went down quite a rabbit hole day.

Josh: 01:14:21 We really did. Holy moly. But this is a topic that I haven’t talked about yet. I’m being different there and, and I guess it’s a good way to kind of burst it open with that is like guys like, yeah, racism is a thing and it’s on both sides and it should have been. It is and it sucks. And it is on both sides. In the history of the United States of America, have black people been far more oppressed than white people? Of course. Oh, lutely do I in any way even remotely support slavery or any form of unequal rights? No, absolutely not. However, Z, the absolute blown out of proportion is ness that w we, we tend to in America, take one example and then blow it up to the extreme when if you go to, for sure the Midwest where people say that a lot of racism takes place, right? You go there. I don’t experience like it’s a totally different narrative than what we’re told the narrative is. And I think that when you go and you stop watching the media and you stop listening to politics, listen, I don’t follow politics all that closely.

Josh: 01:15:28 I don’t think you should be listening to Trump every day. You’re pro, anybody that you listen to that closely every single day would drive you insane. Right? Like, like my, like you choose one person to be with for the rest of your life and that’s the biggest decision because they’re going to be with you for the rest of your life. Right? So like you shouldn’t listen to anybody that closely when you get out of the context of the political realm and the debate that’s there. I think that you find that humans as a, as a general rule across the board are a lot more loving, a lot more understanding and a lot more together then I think we realize and yes, there’s exceptions. Roles. Yes, there’ll be some out there that are racist, but as a general rule, I don’t think that’s the case. Yeah.

Zachary: 01:16:09 100% all right man.

Josh: 01:16:11 Well, what a topic. We’ve already gone over and I have a meeting coming up here shortly, so I do need to wrap it up. Um, before we move on to rapid fire questions though, any last thoughts from you that you wanted to talk about or just share a with a, with the audience?

Zachary: 01:16:23 Nah, man, that was, uh, that was pretty good. That was crazy. We had done a rebel. Oh wait.

Josh: 01:16:27 We really did. I love it. Um, okay, real quick before we get to that, uh, where can people find you? I know we plugged it before. We’re gonna plug it again.

Zachary: 01:16:33 Come check out the podcast. Let us see you over there. Thanks for letting me plug that Josh.

Josh: 01:16:39 Absolutely. guys, go check it out. Leave a rating and review. And I would even go so far to say is like, listen guys, I know that not everybody listens to everybody else’s podcast, but leaving a rating interview is not going to kill you.

Josh: 01:16:52 Alright. Just suggest Sam. So, um, I’m going to rapid fire questions, dude. Uh, do you fly a lot?

Zachary: 01:16:58 Yeah.

Josh: 01:16:58 What is your favorite airline?

Zachary: 01:17:01 Uh, man, I can’t stand. So I like, I like United whenever you’re, uh, whenever they got the three rows of three or whatever, you know, it’s to mountain. It’s like you got the extra space and the TV on the back, so they’re pretty cool.

Josh: 01:17:11 Yeah. United, United. I can’t, I think you said you can’t stand Southwest. I don’t get it man. Like their customer service is great. They’re always friendly. But who thought it was a good idea to have open seating on a plane?

Zachary: 01:17:25 Yeah, that’s the, that’s the only thing bro. Like I won’t fly then. If they had assigned seating, like everything would be bombed.

Josh: 01:17:34 I would fly them all the time if they had assigned seating and first-class and I don’t fly first class all the time, but like I don’t get it. Like, yeah, you can pay the early bird to be the first one on the plane or whatever. But I’m like, just let me pick my freaking seat. Then I don’t have to set my alarm 24 hours beforehand and wake up at three o’clock in the freaking morning to check in. Like, yeah. All right. Um, bucket list item that you want to do.

Zachary: 01:17:56 Ooh, uh, man. Um, definitely the 9% recidivism rate or lower nationwide would probably be the biggest one.

Josh: 01:18:04 That’s going to be a best project, man. I commend you for that. Uh, dream car,

Zachary: 01:18:09 eh, I’m going to go with the proverbial Lambo.

Josh: 01:18:12 Uh, I’m telling you what man, there’s just something about it. I love those Lamborghinis. All right, man. Last question I got for you and it’s a question we ask everyone. I’ve asked it for you before, since you’ve been on here, but I’ll ask it again. Fast forward to the end of your life, you’re on your death bed, you get to leave the world with one final message, because everybody that you’ve influenced or touched, all your fame, successes, all gone, but everybody that you’ve touched, either directly or indirectly, you get to leave them with one final message, word of wisdom, what would that be?

Zachary: 01:18:40 Oh, man. That’s a really tough question. It probably definitely would be different by the time that time comes, because there’s a lot more wisdom that happens in between then, but right now, literally, you are in control of everything of your life, even all the stuff that you can’t control, you always are in control, because you always have the power on how you decide to respond to every single situation that happens. And so, if you focus on your response to situations, you can dictate the outcomes.

Josh: 01:19:04 Amen. I love it brother. Zach or Zachary. I appreciate you coming on here, my man, on The Think Different Theory. Guys, go check them out. Underdog Empowerment. I appreciate you coming on my dude. Guys, as always, hustle, hustle, God bless. Do not be afraid to think different, because that’s what free thinkers do, and we as free thinkers are gonna be the ones to change the world. We’re going to be the ones that create our own lives. We’re going to be the ones that make a positive impact in the world. We think different, we do it different. That’s what a free thinker is. As always… I guess I just said that. I love you all and I will see you on the next episode. Take it easy fam. Peace.

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