Think Different Theory

Forbes Named This 23y/o One of the Most Influential Women Today


In this episode, I welcome Haley Hoffman Smith, a professional speaker who was recently named one of today’s most influential speakers by Forbes. 

She is the author of Her Big Idea, a book on creativity, ideation, and women’s empowerment which debuted as a Top 3 Bestseller in Women & Business and was named a must-read by the Tory Burch Foundation. 


In her honors thesis, she wrote on how women develop their sense of self-agency in entrepreneurship and venture capital. 

She is the founder of the Her Big Idea Fund in partnership with Brown University’s Nelson Center for Entrepreneurship, which awards grants to women who apply with big ideas. Listen in and enjoy the show as she talks about influence, success, entrepreneurship, our lives, and so much more.

Here are the key topics discussed in this episode:

  • One of today’s most influential speakers (03:51)
  • Growing up mediocre and the huge epiphany that led to a shift (05:51)
  • Connecting to a vision of what your dream life would look like (10:18)
  • Haley’s speaking gigs and working on her new book (13:40)
  • How having an audience has changed Haley’s life (18:23)
  • Instilling a sense of empowerment in people (23:24)
  • Learning how to write a book and doing it for brand rather than money (30:21)
  • Getting ideas in spin class and during showers (37:50)
  • Building up a thick skin in the sense of trusting people in business (41:43)
  • The cultural pressures on women in business (46:26)
  • The workplace issue of paternity and maternity leave (50:23)


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October 11, 2019


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Haley: 00:00 What I try to do, and why I love speaking so much is instill that sense of empowerment for whatever it is that’s already floating around in their heads, or that’s in their hearts, to take the action on it. And so now like I… to be honest, I’m still trying to figure out how I can keep up with that experience that like evokes that emotional response, and that sense of like, “Yes, like right after this talk is over, I’m going to go home and like actually get started on this”, when I’m coming through a digital presence. So that’s been tricky. But yeah, that’s the main thing that I’ve heard, and the main thing that I feel like I can convey.

Intro: 00:31 You‌ ‌are‌ ‌now‌ ‌entering‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌So, ‌here’s‌ ‌my‌ ‌issue.‌ ‌I‌ ‌wanted‌ ‌to‌ ‌find‌ ‌the‌ ‌ answers‌ ‌to‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌questions.‌ ‌Things‌ ‌like,‌ ‌how‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌become‌ ‌happy‌ ‌and‌ ‌live‌ ‌with‌ ‌purpose?‌ ‌ How‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌make‌ ‌more‌ ‌money‌ ‌doing‌ ‌what‌ ‌I‌ ‌love,‌ ‌and‌ ‌what‌ ‌does‌ ‌it‌ ‌mean‌ ‌to‌ ‌be‌ ‌truly‌ ‌successful‌ ‌in‌ ‌ all‌ ‌areas‌ ‌of‌ ‌life?‌ ‌My‌ ‌name‌ ‌is‌ ‌Josh‌ ‌Forti,‌ ‌@JoshForti‌ ‌on‌ Instagram,‌ ‌and‌ ‌I‌ ‌ask‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌ questions‌ ‌and‌ ‌share‌ ‌the‌ ‌answers‌ ‌with‌ ‌you.‌ ‌My‌ ‌goal‌ ‌is‌ ‌to‌ ‌help‌ ‌you‌ ‌find‌ ‌purpose,‌ happiness,‌ ‌and‌ ‌ open‌ ‌your‌ ‌mind‌ ‌to‌ ‌new‌ ‌realms‌ ‌of‌ ‌possibility‌ ‌by‌ ‌helping‌ ‌you‌ ‌think‌ ‌differently‌ ‌about‌ ‌everything‌ ‌you‌ do,‌ ‌know,‌ ‌and‌ ‌understand.‌ ‌On‌ ‌this‌ ‌podcast,‌ ‌we‌ ‌think‌ ‌different,‌ ‌we‌ ‌dream‌ ‌bigger,‌ ‌and‌ ‌we‌ ‌live‌ ‌in‌ ‌a‌ ‌ world‌ ‌without‌ ‌limits.‌ ‌This‌ ‌is‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌Welcome‌ ‌to‌ ‌The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory.

Josh: 01:16 What’s up guys? Welcome back to another episode of The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory. My name is Josh Forti, and it is an interview day today. We’re going to get to that here in just a second. I got to say though, at the time of recording this interview, I’m not sure when exactly it’s going to drop. We are about 22 days away guys. 22 days away from the world trip. I am freaking out, and we got lots and lots to do. And, it feels like more and more things just keep happening, that my plate gets more and more stacked up of things to do, when I’m like trying to get more and more off my plate, but you know, that’s what happens when you’re getting ready to change your whole life around. But anyway, with that… I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here. With that being said, I’m gonna bring on our guest, cause I’m super, super excited for her.

Josh: 01:59 One of the things that you guys know that I’m all about is bringing on super cool, interesting people. But one of the things that I think makes this podcast really cool, is that not only do I like to bring on super cool guys, but like, I don’t think… like I think women serve a really, really cool place in entrepreneurship, and I don’t think that we hear enough of their perspective. I’ve said this before when we interviewed several of the other ones, Rachel Pedersen was on here, Marley was on here, Aimee was on here. So like, hearing that perspective, I really think brings like a more complete picture of the world that we live in, especially the way that we’re going, and so I’m super, super excited to bring on this next guest. I actually don’t know her.

Josh: 02:34 Today was the first day we met, but we were introduced by Immy, once again, man, I feel like he just brings on half the guests on this show. Immy, shout out to you. But I’m like reading her bio here, and I’m like going through, and I’m like, seeing everything, and I’m like, this is insane. This is awesome. And then, we get on and she’s like, “Oh yeah, I’m 23.” I’m like, “Oh my gosh.” Like, here I thought like I was doing alright at life, and now we have this. So, our next guest though, she is a professional speaker who was recently named one of today’s most influential speakers by Forbes. She’s the author of a bestselling book, “Her Big Idea”, which is a book on creativity, ideation, and the women’s empowerment movement which debuted as a top-three bestseller in the women in a business book, and was named a must-read by Tony Burch foundation. She basically… like the list here is so, so long, but she really focuses on women and entrepreneurship, and really bringing out that side of things, so I’m super, super excited. Hailey Hoffman Smith, welcome to Think Different Theory. Thank you so much for being here.

Haley: 03:32 Thanks for having me and thanks for the glow up. I feel so gassed up right now. It’s like not good for my ego.

Josh: 03:39 Hey, you know, when you get to accomplish really cool things, like we have to keep ourselves humble, but I’m bragging on you, you’re not bragging about yourself, so it’s allowed. But, how are you? How have you been? I mean, we just met, but how have you been?

Haley: 03:51 Oh my gosh, I’ve been good. Let’s see. We’ll even just today, so I went to spend class today. I’ve been getting some writing done and I’m going on a few trips the next few weeks and I’m always traveling, whether it be for speaking or work or just I’m on vacation. So I think it’s been good, really busy, but really good. A lot of irons in the fire so to speak. What about you

Josh: 04:11 aye man. I’m getting ready to go on this world trip and I know you don’t really know any of my background or anything about anything, but recently I just sold my company. Um, and so I’m getting ready to go on a four-month world trip. We’re one-way ticket so we’re starting in uh, Hawaii and then go into Australia and then just, we have 14 countries that we want to hit. So I’m freaking out because not from a [inaudible] like I’m, I’m so scared and nervous, but because I have so much to do before both worlds, cause like I am, I’m used to kind of having a home base of sorts. Like I travel a lot, but there’s always a home base and I have to pack up my whole entire life and my business into a backpack and a carry on. And it’s like, that’s, that’s scary. All right. Isn’t it crazy?

Haley: 04:58 So worth it. Once you’re on the road, when you come back we’ll be like, why did they even need all these belongings?

Josh: 05:02 Oh, right, right. Exactly. Come back to that. But it’ll be super fun. But we have a lot to get into today. Um, I have so many questions because I’ve taken the more, um, let’s say nontraditional route of entrepreneurship, meaning like kind of like punted the system, right? I dropped out of college, I was like, I don’t need all these publications. I don’t need like any of this stuff. And I just kinda was like results-based. Right? And so I went in and like my background is in social media and then I like get here and I’m like, Aw man, it’d be super cool to be in Forbes. Oh man. It’d be super cool. Like do all these things. And you, on the other hand, are like 23 years old and like killing it. So I want to, I want to show with your background because like I said, I don’t know anything about you but I know you’re awesome. So where’s [inaudible] home for you from like growing up and like what was little girl Haley like that got you to where you’re at now?

Haley: 05:51 Yeah, I love that question. So I think most people look at me and they expect that all along as it was just like a go getter. And that’s actually so not the case throughout high school. I grew up in Denver, which is where I live now and I was just like the most mediocre person you’d ever meet. I was not motivated. I mean I was like a B student. I did okay. I just wasn’t excited about or anything or on fire about anything except for I really liked books and writing and I really liked mentoring girls and that’s all I know. So flash forward, I’m 18 years old and I’m taking this meditation and energy work class and I think like, I mean I cannot confirm this, but I’d have to say that was really what changed me because I basically went through one 80 in the middle of my senior year and all of a sudden it had this like huge epiphany about, you know, we only have one life.

Haley: 06:38 What does that one life entail? Right? Like I started to freak out, like have I wasted my time since 18 years old? I haven’t done anything yet. I mean, etc. That’s still a lot of years off to be alive. I just completely shifted my gears. I gave my all to school. Um, I started to get really excited about the possibility of going to a top tier college because I loved academia writing. And so I went to the university of Colorado at Boulder for my first two years and then I transferred to Brown university for my junior and senior year of college. And my college experience was amazing. I loved both schools, Brown particularly. It has a huge part of my heart and just really got to study things along the lines of women’s entrepreneurship, women’s empowerment. Um, right when I finished my freshman year of college, I started my first ever non profit called lit without limits, which is literature that limits, uh, I was just telling somebody today like lit like lets get lit became a thing like a year later, let’s get lit without limit too.

Haley: 07:42 That like sucked. But it’s so the premise of the nonprofit was that I donate books to girls around the world and between groups and then I’d read a curriculum to go along for the bucks and the girls could come together and it can be kind of like a, a chapter thing where they’d mentor each other and be there for each other. And so that was really drawing upon my lifelong love of books and then women’s empowerment. So I thought it was kind of cool how that came full circle once I came up with the idea. And then just through this experience of starting a nonprofit, I realized how much power and like perception of yourself capability comes to the forefront when you do pursue an idea, especially at a young age. So I got really interested in female self agency and entrepreneurship, which is like a really fancy academic term for you as though you can bring something to life in the world.

Haley: 08:27 Uh, so I wrote my honors thesis on that my senior year at Brown and then launched my book called her big idea right after I graduated, which is really based off the research from my thesis and just a big motivational call for anybody, you know, not just women to go after the ideas that they feel called to because I believe that you channeled them and it’s a way that you’re guided. And yeah, that’s basically the, the skinny audit on how I got here. Um, have done a few things since became a big speaker after the book came out, which was really accidental. I was asked to speak at a school and then really liked it and started to speak everywhere I could. And that blew up into a big speaking tour. And then I launched an eyelash company called her big lash. Um, that goes along with her big idea, obviously. So lots of irons in the fire, as I said at the beginning of this podcast. But I really interesting way of getting there just because I never felt motivated until it almost felt like I woke up one day and was struck by lightning.

Josh: 09:24 That’s good. That’s interesting. I feel like, like people have different paths to entrepreneurship, right? You getting past how they get there and for that person that’s out there right now, and I, I want to continue to go down this storyline here in a second, but to the person that’s out there now that is like, okay, I’m excited about, I remember not necessarily excited about life, like life. It’s cool, right? Like it’s not bad to me per se, right. But I just kinda feel like I’m wandering through life. I’m not overly motivated, I’m just trying to figure it all out per se. Like what would you say to them? Because you don’t know when you’re gonna have that moment, right? Like social media, you just tell, keep putting out content cause one day you’re going to blow up. Right. So like what’s your advice for that person? That’s like trying to figure it out that might not be overly motivated about anything. Um, but like maybe maybe wants to do something but like just they just don’t know.

Haley: 10:18 Yeah, that’s a really good question and I think it depends on the person. Um, I know that’s like a cop out answer, right? I would say my best advice is to really connect to a vision of what your dream life would look like because I know what it’s like to float along and I know that I still, I mean I had dreams there are way smaller. I think I really want us to live on a golf course. Lord knows why when I was in high school. But like what sort of vision of your future self can really compel you to take action? Right now I’m big on vision boards. I think vision boards really help. I’ve gotten everything I’ve ever put on a vision boards, whether they’ve been like locations I’ve traveled to or awards or my golden doodle. So maybe starting there and just allowing yourself to feel the desire for things beyond your life currently.

Haley: 10:58 And Jack Canfield, if you’ve heard of it. Yeah. So he talks about how he wants to make $1 million, right? And so you’re, you, a lot of people get stuck on the how, okay, I’m going to manifest $1 million. We’ll hang out. Well for him, he channeled literally in the shower, the idea for Chicken Soup For The Soul in the book series. And so I think once you affixed yourself to the vision, the rest is going to fall into place. And you should be open to the ideas that come, whether they be business ideas or just an idea like, Oh, I should reach out to so-and-so, or I should go here today. Because really I think those ideas are this like divine intuition slash intelligence guiding you the right way. But to get started, you have to first have the vision. Does that make sense?

Josh: 11:40 Yeah. No, I liked that. I liked that. And I want to dive down into that deeper here in a second because I’ll kind of want to bring it around. But um, I want to start with like, what’s, what’s your vision now? What, what’s next and where are you headed now?

Haley: 11:53 Yeah, so this feels a bit unrelated, but I have wanted to be like the next Oprah for years and years now. I really want my own TV show. So an example of how that’s manifest in my life ever since I’ve held it as my vision. And I will say a really big distinction here is that at first I was really scared to have that as my vision because I’m like, you don’t have going on this path of academia. I’m spending all this money on a really good college. Like I’m a business person, so why is it that I want to happy with TV show? Right? I’m saying owned it. That’s when cool opportunities started to crop up. Um, so I signed with an acting agency both in Denver and then the national, I’m screen actors Guild agency, which is really fun and cool. Woo. And so I’m working towards it little by little, right. And I’m getting used to things like what it’s like to be on set. I’ve been in a few commercials and some industrial projects, so, um, working towards the vision. But yeah, the big one really is imagining my own show on whatever network it is. And we have cool women, so slightly unrelated, but I trust that, that, that I have that desire for a reason. And that’s a big thing too.

Josh: 12:57 Yeah. And I agree with that a lot about owning the vision type thing because like, until you’re willing to like put it, like you’ve got to believe in the vision before anybody else is going to, right. Like, you know, if if I hire someone and you know, there or, and I want to work with someone and they’re like, well, I kind of maybe want to do a podcast or I kind of maybe want to do something, I’m like, okay, whatever, next person. But if someone comes to me and is like, I am sold out for this, then I know they’re serious about it. Right. And like, and other people can I think buy into that. I think that’s super, super important in any aspect. But particularly when it comes to the vision, they’re, what, what are you doing now? Like you’ve come, you’ve come through, you’ve gone through, you graduated, did you do all these cool things? You’ve gone on the speaking tour, so like are you still on tour now or are you like kind of done?

Haley: 13:41 No, so I mean the tour is wrapped up. It was over the 2018, 20, 19 school year. So now I’m doing a few speaking gigs here that there, but I’m, I’m working on my next book that is like kind of a secret, but I just shared it. So, um, and then, uh, again, the afternoon stuff, I’ve been doing a lot of auditions since I’ve signed with that agency. And professionally I’ve been doing a lot of ghosts writing and SEO copywriting, which I’ve really enjoyed because the writer, um, so that just seems to be something that flows through me, that I do well and that I do quickly. So that’s been fun to expand that side of things. So I had a job with a startup. Uh, right when I graduated college and I quit in February because my speaking tour got to be a lot. My last company got to be a lot. And so since then it’s really been balancing what does it look like to be a solo entrepreneur? Like how do you make money consistently outside of like speaking, it really has been an interesting balance to strike. And so now it feels like a new wave of my life as a solopreneur with all the writing that I’ve been doing too.

Josh: 14:40 Interesting. So very writing creative type of work in that sense. And which I think that like one of the interesting things for me has been like, cause I’ve been in a similar this similar situation or like this weird transitionary phase where aye, but so like I said, I just sold the business or whatever and I’m trying to figure out like longterm would think different there and like what I’m trying to build, there’s a difference between a business that’s built on like services and like, Hey, we provide this service for this customer and we’re just gonna go out and do it. Right. And then more of the creative style business or the creator in, you know, in you. And so, um, you know, you build a creative business. I, you know, through being creative and putting out content that, uh, you create rather than a singular product that you put out. Have you noticed that maybe some of your entrepreneurial ship friends like give or take advice from certain people that might not be related to you because you’re more of a creative type than a traditional business owner?

Haley: 15:38 Yeah, I think the way I want to answer this question is to say like something that’s been on my mind lately is like there’s a lot of demand for what I do, right? But since I’m the creator, I can’t scale it. So all of these podcast and all these books about, you know, masters of skill, et cetera, scaling your business, having a product, like if it was a software product or something, I could just like mass distribute. I can’t do that. Right. That’s really different from other types of entrepreneurship. All long. I kind of felt alone in entrepreneurship because like my first companies were nonprofits and I, the only people I knew in my life who were entrepreneurs were men and all the products. And it was really interesting. It was like the concrete first, the abstract, um, of like masculine versus feminine and for-profit versus nonprofit.

Haley: 16:23 And so I really just derived my sense of inspiration from the people around me and the entrepreneurs that I know simply because they like decided to do a different career path with entrepreneurship, which is lonely because, you know, I don’t know a lot of people who are doing what I’m doing where it’s just like I’m this old machine, I’m the one factory, I can show articles, but like say I get 100,000 people knocking on my door. Like I can’t sell that many articles and no, I feel like that’s the big point of distinction or differentiation.

Josh: 16:54 Are you, like, do you have fame at all? And I know you’re like went on tour, but like do you have an audience that like follows your every move or, or like that you’re posting content to on Instagram or Facebook anywhere?

Haley: 17:04 Yeah. Um, some way. I mean it’s like I have just under 5,000 followers on Instagram, so it’s more of like a tight knit community.

Josh: 17:12 Okay. But has, um, have you reached a level of, cause like you’re pretty well known, like from the sense that you like go around, you’ve been speaking, you’ve wrote this book, so like people might not follow you but they know you, right? Like if there’s all, yeah, I saw Haley’s big or whatever. So like H how has that changed your life? And I’m asking this like you, and I think I have a lot of similarities. I want to kind of steer this conversation more to like let’s just talk, right? I mean like, Hey, like yes there’s people listening, but cool, let’s have a conversation about this because I have found that these interviews typically tend to go really well when I do that. But like one of the things for me is like having an audience changed my life. Now I’m in no way famous, right?

Josh: 17:53 But like, you know, I have twenty six thousand twenty seven thousand followers on Instagram. I have a Facebook group of like 30,000 people and it’s in my niche. Like I’m by no means mainstream, well known, right? However, like in my space, in my industry where I’m at, like I have an audience and it like, it totally changed my life and like, it’s weird cause I like I get to make decisions differently or whatnot. So like how has your speaking tour and like all that, like how has that changed how you make decisions and like how you go and do things?

Haley: 18:23 Yeah, I liked that question. Um, I would say like going back to how I call it, my 5,000 followers to tie in a community. Obviously it’s not like at the level of, you know, even the falling that you have, which is, which is awesome. Like, that’s amazing for you. Um, but what I’ve found is that, you know, there’s people who were in the back of the audience when I was speaking somewhere and they didn’t even come up and say hi, but they’ve been following forever. And sometimes they feel the desire to message me and ask me to do like a YouTube video talking about something. Or they asked me a question about how I handled school or how I handle friends. And so the way that I see it, and maybe this is from like my entrepreneurship, uh, education is like a market research type thing, right?

Haley: 19:03 Like, here’s my core audience of people who follow me for the things that I’m doing. Let me ask them what they want and how it, that has given me a lot of direction and trying to figure out like my next steps after, you know, quitting my job. And now like, you know, speaking has slowed down. So what’s next in terms of like even the book that I’m writing next. You know, I had that idea and it was on my heart and it was really validated by a lot of the conversations that I was having with women through my platform. We’re seeing things that, you know, related to the book and I was like, wow, this book is really for these people. So yeah, I would have to stay on the market research and validation side for sure.

Josh: 19:36 Yeah. Um, Oh man, I have such an interesting story. Um, with just like kind of how I came up with everything just cause like I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere and like I like wasn’t allowed to have social media or even texting on my phone until I was 18 years old. Right. So like I was this year over the top extrovert that just loved people in my nearest neighbor was a half a mile away and my, the nears Walmart was like 25 minutes or 20 minutes, you know what I mean? So like, so disconnected and then all the sudden, like I found success on Instagram after I moved out. Like I got a job in sales and like, you know, so I started to go in that, that route of things and like I said, very untraditional. So I really got to be myself and like I speak on stage and I’ve spoken on stage in front of 1200 people in flip flops in the backwards hat, right?

Josh: 20:28 Like that. So in a tee shirt, right? Like, so like that’s so untraditional till what? Like a lot of people think when they’re like, you know, you can speak as days or you’re this or you’re that or whatever. And I’m just like, yep but I’m 100% myself. Right? Like I don’t care. And so for me like it empowered me to go and do that like more cause people started following, I was just like this crazy kid that was, I personally don’t have a lot of followers. I mean I have 27 or 25 26,000 but like my company that I used to have, like we’ve managed over 5 million followers on social media for people. And so like when you start, you’re like see like the trends or whatever. Like it was interesting for me because aye had access even though like I didn’t kill it. Like I haven’t made millions and millions of dollars.

Josh: 21:08 I’ve sold millions worth of stuff. But like I haven’t like pocketed millions of dollars. I’m not a millionaire at all. But it allowed me to have access to things and like having an audience, people started to like want to talk to me or like give me opportunities so that they can get in front of my audience and even on a micro level. Right. And so it was weird because I got to do these things and before I like went through my whole life crisis of things, right? Like aye. Like I had an ego the size of Mars, right? I mean like is huge, right? Like it was just, um, and then like when I like had my Meg matured, that changed as well. So from a validation side of things, I get to test things for free. I get to go to my market, I get to do a survey and they will, they’ll tell me whatever they want. But from an opportunity standpoint too, there’s a lot of cool opportunities just from the exposure that a stage brings in and things of that nature. You know what I mean?

Haley: 21:57 Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. And I also like just the thing that you said about like your audience bring in new opportunities. Like my speaking tour was really because of the people who were already in my audience. And so I also feel like, you know, you could have that core group of people who believe in you and will advocate for you. And then like if their school is looking for a speaker who can be like, you should definitely invite like Josh or Hailey, all your audience continues to multiply, right? You’re still putting out the content that’s resonating with people. Like it’s really your audience that carries you. It’s always like you’re the big celebrities. They always talk about the fans, the fans, the fans. And I think they mean it, you know, they’re not just saying like it’s the fans because that’s the nice thing to say like because it’s the fans who like show other people their music and take them to their concerts. And so yeah, it really has a domino effect if you’re putting out enough value.

Josh: 22:46 Yeah. And I would say for me too, when things are like results and like, you know, the business success or whatever, like Oh you signed to this client or whatever, like that had a certain level of affect of like exposure. But what really like brought the fan base together was the like selling them on the vision of what you were trying to do. So like for you, like I have not seen any of your speeches or whatnot, I assume, you know, you’re speaking on the women of entrepreneurship and like things like that, but like how have you seen your vision and like how have you seen people buy into your vision and buy into you because of your vision?

Haley: 23:24 I love that. Um, I think, you know what I, what I tell people when I tell them about my talks is that it’s a very different experience for everyone in the room. So my whole talk was about idea, motivation, right? Going after your big idea, you know, there was this one girl that came up to me and this was just so unexpected. She keeps me crying. A lot of people come up to me crying after toxicity. Now I get the audience going and she said, I’m in an abusive relationship and now I know that I need to leave. Oh wow. How would you, I had no idea how what I had said like, but I think people take what they feel like they need. And so yeah, I had quotes in there about just like if you feel the calling you have to go after it and like do there, there are things that could be related even though it wasn’t about your shit for her.

Haley: 24:14 Um, and so I think what I try to do and why I love speaking so much is instill that sense of empowerment for whatever it is that’s already floating around in their heads or that’s in their hearts to take the action on it. And so now like I, to be honest, I’m still trying to figure out how I can keep up with that experience that like evokes that emotional response and that sense of like, yes, like right after the sock is over, I’m going to go home and like actually get started. On this when I’m coming through a digital presence. So that’s been tricky. Um, but yeah, that’s the main thing that I’ve heard in the main thing that I feel like I convey.

Josh: 24:45 Hm. Hm. Interesting. What are like, what are the low points in your life?

Haley: 24:52 Okay, we’re going there.

Josh: 24:54 So I mean like I don’t ask any questions that I wouldn’t myself answer. Right. This is oral.

Haley: 25:01 We’re opening Pandora’s box. Okay. Okay.

Josh: 25:04 In a good way. I think that it brings out a lot of really good perspective and allows you to share.

Haley: 25:08 Oh absolutely. Cause it’s a big thing that she to be. So I talked about my nonprofit, um, and at the time I had become really good friends with this woman who had years of financial experience. She was twice my age and she and I were just great friends and so it made sense for her to come onto my nonprofit as the chief financial officer, which was good. And we worked really well in that capacity. And then I haven’t played around with this idea for a, for profit that I wanted to call. She is without limits and I want a top a line of apparel and a blog. And I was working on book called, she is about limits, which is my first book.

Haley: 25:42 And she goes, okay, let’s do this. So we shook across the table equity wise, 50 50 and she invested all of the money into it. And then mine was like all of my effort, like my intellectual property, everything that I was creating, all my connections, everything I had done to date and I think is a really awesome at first like we launched the line, we had a huge launch party for my book. Um, and then she moved to a different country to work on the company from a heart cause she had quit her job to do it. It completely stopped working on it. And every time I would try to make an executive decision or do any of the work, she said whoever has the money calls the shots and tied my hands effectively in my own company. And I became like the intern in my own idea because of her and I was, you know, I’m going to college.

Haley: 26:29 I don’t have enough money to like, you know, turn the ship around, buy her out, do any of those things. And so that was hard because that was my junior year and I w I thought for sure with everything in me that I was going to pursue that company when I graduated from college, I was to be the rest of my life. Like immediate was one of my big dreams and connected to my nonprofit. So basically everything that I built for three years got completely wiped out because of her. She basically said, I decided that word is, I’ll be the company and you always are half the debts. And I had never seen financials and we had never done things the way that I wanted to do them. Thankfully we had an operating agreement. There are a lot of legalities that I had in place that protected me.

Haley: 27:08 Thank goodness. Um, so I didn’t have to pay her back for the debts, but I felt like I had to start over completely. And I was really embarrassed because like my one entrepreneurial presence, I’ve been this whole platform, like the without limits platform, the nonprofit and the fork off it ended, my first book was named, you know, she is without limits. And so moving past that was really hard. But the good part about it was it really helps people connect with me. I think more um, I talk about it, the talk that I give when I speak. And then also the first line of my book is I think you’re screwing me over. And it’s from one of her emails to me. So yes. So people like opened my book and they’re like, you know, cause most books you open it and it’s like this is going to be a book about blank and they’ll be like setting the stage. And then like one other thing about that too was I was trying to get press for my book and I’d always wanted to be featured in Forbes. And this was like a few years ago.

Haley: 28:05 And so I got featured for bistro. Super pumped about in the future is just like about book, okay, whatever. And like, no one seemed to really care, which is like fine. Like I didn’t want him to achieve it for myself. But then entrepreneur magazine published an article that was titled, um, after struggles with their co-founder, this entrepreneur had to like break off and do it on her own. That’s not that, that’s not the headline, but it was basically like the entire [inaudible] of what happens with that co-founder, which like I was shocked like when that went live. Yeah. But like that article, I always hear that entrepreneurship programs are like assigning it as like a homework assignment to read the article. Yeah. It’s awesome. Like their moms and stuff. And so like there’s so much power and vulnerability and sharing the hard stuff and sharing what you’ve gone through. And so it’s ended up, it’s ended up really helping other people, which I think is great. And so I guess that helps me cause I’m trying to help other people. Yeah. That was definitely the low point. But I feel like I’ve,

Josh: 29:06 that’s, that’s super crazy. Cool. And that you were able to like turn it around and like use the book for that. How did you, I mean, I know you’re a writer like, but like did you take college classes on it or like, hi, like how did you learn how to write a book? Because like, okay, and for context around this, I’ve wanted to write a book for awhile. I am told all the time that I should write a book, right? And my big false belief about writing a book, which I, I’m totally confident that I could write a book, right? But I’m like if I read a book, what am I opinion changes, right? Like what are, you know, things like that. And so like I’m going through this in my head or whatever and I’m like, I want my book to be awesome. But then everyone’s like, we’ll just hire a ghost writer. And I’m like, absolutely not. Like, if this is my book, this is my book. And you know, for me, I’m a content person. Like I love being in front of the camera. I have created literally thousands and thousands of videos on the internet. But like for me, I just turn on the camera and start talking. I never really think through, like I know the rough idea of where I’m going and then it allows me to kind of go through and like summarize everything up with a book. It’s like written, it’s there and like people buy and you’ve got to get them engaged. You got to be like, how did you learn how to write like that?

Haley: 30:21 The reason I said it’s funny when you were talking was because I was talking to a girl just last weekend and she said the same thing about her fear that the book is out there and what if everything changes. And when she had said that, I was like, what? And it’s so, it’s funny to hear you say it too. Um, also I’ll address that first just to mind. You can, so going back to like what I just said that I, I mean my first book was called shoes about limits. You can write a book into oblivion. Like I don’t publicize that, but no one knows it’s out there. It’s not that I, it’s not that my opinion is to use Dropbox, but I don’t want people to read it like because it’s like reflective in my old company and I also feel like I sound really a mature in the book.

Haley: 31:01 I realize now I’m talking about it, I’m like accidentally publicizing it, but my point is like you can always write more books and you can always put it this as some more things. As far as how I wrote both books, I will first of all is still apply. Carrie just did a video on this for myself. Yeah. So I where I go like into depth for 10 minutes a high wrote both books. But I have, I’ve just been a writer for as long as I can remember. I did it take writing classes in college. I obviously hold writing by writing a thesis and by like doing all these essays, et cetera. But for my first book I just like literally sat down and wrote a chapter a day, just get something on the paper and then went back and did a lot of editing. And then for my second book, I did it through a book program called the creators Institute, which I don’t know if you’ve heard of, but I know the founder Eric custard.

Haley: 31:48 So he was my book coach and basically told him I had an idea for a book called her big idea and I can see the cover in my mind’s eye and it was blue. And that’s exactly what the book looks like now, which is really cool. And basically he gives you, like, I would say bench marks kind of like you need to have X amount of words done by this day. And then they had a developmental editor with you too, which was really nice, which I feel like you would benefit from because it is hard to just be like, how am I gonna structure this book? So someone’s there with you that can help you. I think that’s great. Um, and then also like what you said about a ghost writer, so most ghost writers will just take the content you already have and transform it into a book. Just that out there. I myself got a stick up for my [inaudible].

Josh: 32:29 Yeah, I listen, I have no problem with ghost writers. I like, and I want to be clear on that too. Assume that else gets to translate my words. Even if they do a phenomenal job, that is a scary thought and like I get it, like you get to read it first and you get to edit, like you get to call this thing. But I’m like da. I mean like I want to usually come from my head because my head is like, my mind is a weird, crazy place. Right? Like it really, like I sometimes I wish I could just like project my thoughts onto a wall and people could see how weird it is. And then I like think about that for a minute and I’m like, I would never ever do that. Like that would be so crazy. Right, right. So it’s like, it’s one of those things where like the back and forth side of things of, I dunno, I have no problem with ghost writers. I know lots of people that actually do ghost writing.

Haley: 33:16 Yeah. Well, I was like, yeah, I think it depends on like

Josh: 33:19 is it, it stays expensive. Like when you went through the, the or the publisher, like did you fork out a bunch of cash for that?

Haley: 33:26 No. No. I don’t know. I don’t know what it’s priced at now, but it was next to nothing.

Josh: 33:31 Oh, okay. So you’re like, did you make like I’ve always heard you don’t write a book to make money. You write a book for brand, which I going into writing a book, I would never write a book that I could make money. It would be for a brand. But like did you make any money off the book?

Haley: 33:42 I mean, I really like $1,000 in sales. Like I dunno, but it’s again the brands, but I’ll also add the platform cause I think I started that whole speaking tour. I made a lot of money off that speaking tour. Oh yeah. Not at first, but I became a speaker and then I got paid a lot to come. Yeah. But you have to have, you don’t have to have the book for it first, but I think it’s, you know, if someone’s deciding whether or not to bring you in and they can read your book and see what it is. And nowadays, like your book is like your best form of a business card. I mean, the credibility, I mean a book on a topic is almost equivalent, if not more equivalent to having a degree from, you know, a big university. Yeah.

Josh: 34:29 Yeah. I co-wrote, I’m a Amazon bestseller, so not quite as cool, but um, uh, co-wrote. Okay. So, uh, co-wrote, uh, that with, well, I’m on the cover of it with the two other like main co-writers and then there’s like a bunch of smaller people in there that like he’s wrote a chapter, um, like about it. And even that, I noticed that people were like, Whoa. And I’m like, Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Right. Exactly.

Haley: 34:58 So reactions to this day, right.

Josh: 35:02 And so like for me, I, I’m slowly getting there. And what I mean by that is I, I release eBooks. And so like I went through like a huge phase in my life of like mindset training, right? Um, where I like kind of hit rock bottom and then like just spend like months and tens of thousands of dollars on like personal development and like trying to figure out mindset and like going this whole entire thing. So I wrote like a 70 page or 68 page, I think, uh, like book five, like five sections, five chapters if you want to call them that. My part, um, like about like the five phases that I went through to kinda like change, turn my life around. So like I put things out there and it’s funny going back to like the audience thing, like I I hate, I mean I love editing but I hate editing my own stuff. Like, yeah, meaning the like the nitty gritty. Like I am not a good speller. I am not a good, like I’m not punctual. Right? Like my mom like taught me how to write really well and she like tried it, like try to make me a good speller. I was having nothing to do with it. Like, I just got my thoughts on there. So I went to my audience and I was like, Hey, who wants a sneak peek at this?

Josh: 36:02 All I ask is that you like critique it and edit it. And this one lady, actually there’s like five or six people that actually really, really went into it, like 20 people offered. But this one lady went through and spent like hours and hours and hours and like came back and I was like, this is amazing. You know what I mean? That was part of the version that we released. Um, there. So like I’m slowly working my way towards, the first one I did was 20 pages. There’s 38 and now 70. So like I’m slowly making my way to like a full thing. But, um, I thought about for like my 26th birthday, like on my 26th birthday, start writing a book called my life at 25, like for the first 25 years and then every five years come out with the next phase reflecting on the past five years of my life so that when I’m like 50 years old, I have like five year increments of books, but

Haley: 36:49 Oh, that’s awesome. I really like that.

Josh: 36:52 We’ll see.

Haley: 36:53 Going off like what you said, you’ll know when it’s time to write your book. You’ll know, you’ll feel it. You’ll be like, Ooh, something stirring. I mean, I’m sure like you’re an idea person too, so you know what it’s like when all of a sudden you’re like,

Josh: 37:05 when you wake up in the middle of the night and you’re like, I’m ready. Let’s go. Do you ever have those though? Like I will literally, there are times, and I’m just weird like this, so I have a big, I’m a whiteboard person. Okay. So like everything’s on a whiteboard. So I have uh, an eight foot long by four feet tall, like double sided whiteboard that rolls around. It’s in my living room and I will literally like, it’d be like three o’clock in the morning and I’ll just like wake up from my sleep and I’ll be like, yah, I’ll jump out of bed. And I’m like, we’re onto the whiteboard. I’ll write down all my ideas and I’ll go back to bed and I’ll, I do it. Do you ever do like things like that?

Haley: 37:38 Well I was not in the middle of the night. I feel like that would really disturb me. Um, mine is like the worst is when I’m in a spin class cause I’m an avid spinner as I’ve said because I can’t do anything about it.

Josh: 37:48 An avid score. What?

Haley: 37:50 And spend class like cycling full cycle. Yeah. Hmm. I think it’s something about like a movement and like got all this blood going in my brain and all of a sudden it like some clicks, the shower, Oh it’s always a shower. So many ideas in the shower. Yeah. Even when I like had my idea for the book I’m writing now, I obviously had to do like a book proposal and so I’m working on it. But I remember I was in the shower when I, and it was after swim class, so like, you know, double double digits there. Like my book has arrived. It was, there is no other way to [inaudible] the opening sentences into my head. I’m like running all the shower. No time to grab a towel.

Josh: 38:28 Alright. It just is right at all. Right. Yeah, that’s awesome.

Haley: 38:31 The best, most magical,

Josh: 38:33 right when it’s just like you’re in the zone and you just don’t like to focus on, I knew it was going around

Haley: 38:37 from a reading perspective and also like I’m really into music so when I’m listening to a song I can tell when something’s been like channeled or it feels like it’s like came from them versus something they like thought too much about.

Josh: 38:48 Yeah, I would agree with that. And I also think that like allowing yourself to be in the creative zone of genius for awhile. Like ideas just start flowing. You’re like, how can I ever think of that? I’m like, well, when I think of good ideas, I’m like 70 levels in. Right? And that’s like a flow, right? Like hours and hours of like being in the zone and all of a sudden it’s.

Haley: 39:07 like literally on my seventh red bull.

Josh: 39:10 Right. Right. Or like after three hours of meditation, right. Or like when I’m out in nature. So like I’m a big, um, I like marijuana and like walking out in nature. Right? So you’ll get a little bit of a buzz and just kind of go and just like, right. I heard that just legalize mushrooms there too. I was like, man, you’re about to have some crazy people walking around the streets.

Haley: 39:34 Not that scary.

Josh: 39:35 Okay. I am curious though, um, you’re big on women and entrepreneurship and I, I, this is a topic that I do want to touch on here because you, you, you mentioned like hell, a lot of your role models were, but they weren’t women, right? Like there’s not a lot of people to like look up to and like you have Oprah, right? But in the immediate next steps. I think that’s one thing that a lot of male entrepreneurs like myself kind of undervalue or don’t really realize like, Hey, like who do I look up to? My immediate one is like a Steve Larson. Then I have Russell Brunson and you’ve got like, you know these, these big people and just like, Oh, like I relate to it and like the struggles that he’s going through. Like yes there are human emotions, but like men and women are very different in a lot of ways. So like how has you being a woman and trying to go through this like affected and shaped things and have you ever noticed any resentment or like people telling you no or not giving you a chance because you’re a woman?

Haley: 40:32 Yeah, so I think, you know, it’s been hard for me to pinpoint if it is just because I’m a woman. I would say a lot of it is like being a young woman my age too. Yeah. One of the most common occurrences in my career, which has been really hard is I don’t know if men want to help me because they believe in me or because they want something from me. That’s happened time and time again where someone saw what I think they are. They’re only helping me because they want B and that like

Josh: 40:58 don’t super crappy.

Haley: 40:59 Isn’t that terrible? And I didn’t know if I was like something I was just attracted to my space. And so my capstone, which is the third chapter, my thesis is about that. And how many women go through that because yeah, I mean I haven’t had a situation where like one of my, the, one of the people who was really key in helping me like learn entrepreneurship, right when I started my nonprofit, like he introduced me to all of us investors and he knew I had a boyfriend, I had a boyfriend for five years and my boyfriend came to a silent auction. I was hosting and I introduced them and he stormed out and told his investors not to. Yeah. So I’ve had a lot of situations like that.

Josh: 41:39 What I can, I don’t understand the [inaudible].

Haley: 41:43 really bad people cause I don’t want to say that this is like a universal experience or this is like, Oh man, cause I don’t, but I’ve heard that though. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. But that’s not good. I’m glad. I really wanted, it sounds like talking like a crazy person. But yeah. Um, so that’s been, it’s just like kind of an extra layer of, I’ve definitely tried to build up not like a thick skin in a sense of like getting criticized, but like, and trusting people to trust people in business obviously have the cofounder, she was female, but like that happened and then now, you know, I’m like, what are people’s intention? So that’s been interesting as a woman. Um, but yeah, going back to the role model thing, I’ll also say there, the cha, the tide is changing so much like Jennifer Hyman over at the runway. She’s amazing or you know, Glossier. And Emily Weiss, or even just like the cofounders of a way at a suitcase company, one of which went to Brown. But you see a lot of the companies started by women are primarily like beauty or clothing companies or consumer goods rather than the big softwares.

Haley: 42:47 I mean Elizabeth Holmes like just be a normal person. Like are you kidding me? You would’ve been so cool for women to have like you know the fair nose thing. Firstly those one woman who even then she had to act like a man, she acted like Steve jobs and she spoke in a low voice who wore the black turtlenecks and like, I don’t know. So it’s just, it’s hard. And when I was writing my thesis, obviously I had to do like a recommendation for how these meet better for more women pursuing their ideas. There it was, I didn’t feel like I could really come up with one. I had recommendations and a lot of them were like putting women into more spaces where they’re watching other women, you know, pursue big ideas. But you can’t be, you can’t see, they just had the founder of the wing, the women women’s coworking space on the cover of, I believe it was fast company and she’s pregnant. And so that was awesome. Like those are like small things where we’re starting to see the changing tide, but at the same time there’s so much work to do for technical founders.

Josh: 43:50 Yeah. Well I have a, a friend of mine, her name maybe you know or maybe you don’t, but her name is Katie Richardson and she was on the cover of a, well her and her husband but more her were on the cover of entrepreneur magazine. Um, ah, four founding, they founded, um, a baby bath company. It was basically called PAJ. Um, and like, I forget what the accent was, but it’s pretty big and they were, they’re awesome. I love Katie. But like she, she had mentioned kind of some of those things too as far as like, you know, the dynamic of like how women are supposed to act in order to get ahead and like kind of things like that. And yeah. Okay. I guess

Josh: 44:31 I asked this question very genuinely like I am not asking it to necessarily state that I believe this. I don’t know. It’s why I’m asking the question. One of the arguments that I’ve heard on the other side of [inaudible] of the aisle and like I grew up pretty conservatively, right? Yeah. I never like male woman who cares? Like whatever. Like you know, you just kinda, you gotta go like hard work farming like yes, like a lot of women like stayed in the home and so I like grew up in the community where a lot of that did that happen. But like my parents were not like girls can be in entrepreneurs yet. You know what I mean? Like they empowered my sisters just as much to do amazing things as they did the boys. Right. So to me like I never saw that. Right. I was like, what are you talking about? And then I got out into the real world and I was like, Oh, that’s definitely a thing, especially in corporate. But my question is, is the argument that I’ve heard is, Hey, women typically speaking have priorities that are more family oriented than guys are and they are not willing as much too.

Josh: 45:33 Like as a general rule to sacrifice and give up home activities per se and be committed to the job. Because let’s, I mean not to shame women in any way. If anything, this is like a blessing or props to them like, but like having a child a distraction that large in any circumstances ever. Right? We’ll take you away from your main focus. Like even if a dude has a kid but especially a mother, right? So like mm. The argument says that Hey, a lot of women at some point or another in their career are gonna want to go and have a family and have kids and do more home related activities, which is gonna take their focus off of business, which means they’re slightly less driven towards business specifically. Not necessarily in life as a whole. So like is there truth to that argument or is there not? So

Haley: 46:26 thank you for bringing that up. I think it’s more of like the cultural perception slash cultural pressure and not just on the women and the factor, but now there’s more stay at home dads than ever. And it’s just like the same thing where when your pitching to an investor or if you’re up for a promotion at work, they’re more likely to ask a woman than a man. Like, well, when do you think you’ll have kids? Or you know, like a man gets married, uh, he’s perceived by his investors or by his boss as being someone who’s really capable of making a commitment. A woman gets married and her investors and her boss, Oh gosh, she’s going to get pregnant soon. So like if we’re going to let her go or we’re going to like full funding, like it’s the same thing, but like why aren’t stay at home?

Haley: 47:10 Dads were mainstream in the conversation because so many men are going that way. So I think that’s interesting. Um, also I’ll say, I would love to hear more about how like you got out into the world after, cause you were homeschooled, right? So there’s a huge correlation between pursuing entrepreneurship and doing really in STEM subjects. And there’s a lot of research around girls growing up in school, um, versus boys. And there’s like this implicit bias a lot of times from teachers that girls are bad at math and bad at science. Boys are good at math and science in they’re reinforced and really subtle ways. Like they call it the boy instead of the girl and like, you know, girls are more likely, you do bad on a math test. Do you think I’m bad at math versus boys, if they are get the same bad grade on a math test, they’re like, the teacher’s so stupid and they can like externalize it.

Haley: 47:58 Like they don’t take it to heart. Um, so that’s a big part of it too. So I thought that was an interesting diamond and dynamic. But yeah, I mean like for me personally, I mean I’m only 23 too, but like a huge Colleen to be a mother, it needs to die soon. It comes back to the whole thing about like having it all as a woman, you know, that’s any woman, is there any point in their career like can you have it all but men are up for the seed discussion and it’s just like a double standard. Um, but I’m excited for the rise of stay at home dads and you know, couples going into it together and being like, okay, this is going to be equal responsibility. But if you care a lot about your company or like you’re excited about work, like maybe we shouldn’t have children or maybe we should wait, or maybe I’m okay with taking the brunt of this right now because I genuinely want to as part of my life as opposed to a sacrifice that I have to make.

Josh: 48:50 That makes sense. Yeah. No, I understand that. Yeah. One final question on that, just more of, I think more maybe more of an opinion of on your side of things is because like, I like to look at things as they are and I don’t really care how people feel about it. I want to know whether it’s a legitimate, if there’s an actual valid legitimate reason on things, right? Like I don’t care about being politically correct. And while I in no way ever would think that a woman is less capable than a man provided they’re putting in the same effort to something. Right. Is it a fair concern if I, let’s say I’m a board of directors, right? And I have, you know, $100 million or $1 billion company, right? And I’m, we’re trying to pick the next CEO, right. And to go and do that and there is a perfectly capable woman to do the job and there’s a perfectly capable man to do the job.

Josh: 49:41 Right. And we know is that over the next 10 years that the, the woman does plan to go and have a family. Okay. And the man also go does plan to go in and like with his wife, they are going to have a family as well. Right? And so I haven’t to sit down and I’m having to like, it’s my decision on who I get to pick and I look at this and I go, I know that in say five, six, seven years, the woman’s going to go and that she’s going to have a family and we want her to be around for 20 years. Like that’s the thing. Is it a legitimate concern to save the woman is going to have to be out longer than the men would have to be when it is and to make a decision based on that at is that fair or is that something that is like listen, that is a short period of time in the span of over the next 10 or 15 years. Like you should be able to look past that.

Haley: 50:23 So I actually don’t think it’s fair because I think that company should award paternity and maternity leave equal amounts in that Parenthood, huh? Yeah. Yeah. More and more, even companies like Google, they’re having things like, you know, they’ll have in the NTS that works some days are like a nursing room and like bring your baby to work. So I think it should be more about like if you’re really worried about the woman seen out longer, like, well I mean obviously it depends on like that I didn’t say named like at home, but she didn’t like the man, her husband be at home helping.

Josh: 50:55 I mean I would agree. I would agree with you on that thing. And actually that was something my brother was about to um, w w w when he was in, cause he’s big on that and his wife was very much into like kind of businessy type, you know, stuff. And so I agree with you. I think the father plays a huge role in it, but I’m just asking from a perspective of like, do they have a legitimate concern or not?

Haley: 51:16 Oh, okay. Well yeah, but like for the legitimate concern about the woman’s staying out longer, I’d say it should be a legitimate concern for the man too, if the man is also pleading and having a child.

Josh: 51:26 Hmm. I, and I, I, I can definitely see the point there.

Haley: 51:28 Yeah. And you never know. Like, what if you appointed a woman, a CEO. And so she’s so excited about her job and work that she doesn’t, she doesn’t feel the desire to have a child. Yeah. And that might be so as well, you know, you just, you never know. But I think looking at it from the perspective like at work should be about work and how hard people work rather than let’s factor in their personal lives. Cause you never know what’s going to happen. Right. And you know, it has to be a few companies who have a ton of employees or like are very visible who can stop looking at women through the lens of you’re here to be a wife and a mother first. That’s really hard because people view women as wives, wives and mothers first see them as business people first if that’s they’ve chosen for themselves.

Josh: 52:10 I also think that we need to, um, not downplay how important wife and mother is. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I think, I think that in our society too, like wife and mother or even fatherhood, right? Like being a good parent is somehow viewed as secondary of important as career. And I think that that super needs to shift now, honest, obviously that’s just not gonna happen anytime soon in our, in our society. But like I think that we as [inaudible] leaders and things like that and you do recognize that like, Hey, building a company is awesome, but also, Hey, your first responsibility I think does come to like being a good father, a good parent, and you should be able to lead accordingly and that there’s nothing inherently wrong guy or girl to take time off from work to go be a good

Haley: 52:57 yeah, exactly. And that goes back to having like flexible work programs. Yeah. For when people do decide to be parents. Yeah. Know we’ve covered quite a bit. I know we really did. What a wild ride.

Josh: 53:09 What a wild ride. I appreciate you open it up and sharing a little bit. Um, yeah. Is there any other topic starting that you want to talk about before we kind of wrap up?

Haley: 53:16 No, I think we’re good.

Josh: 53:18 Awesome. Well then we’ll wrap up here. Um, so we kinda end with some rapid fire questions and just go to that. And then I, one question to everybody that gets interviewed. Uh, before I do that, I want you to be able to plug yourself. If people want to go follow you, learn more about what you do, check you out. Like where, uh, where would they go to do that?

Haley: 53:35 You can just follow me on Hailey Hoffman Smith on Instagram. I saw that Ron and Hailey Hoffman Smith on Instagram. And then I plug everything that I do on there constantly.

Josh: 53:45 Okay. Haley Hoffman, Smith on Instagram. We will link that below guys. Go check her out. You guys know how much I love Instagram. Um, and it’s super, super cool on there. So we will link that below. The name of your book again was her big idea and it’s on Amazon? Yes. Okay. We’ll link that down below as well. Um, okay, let’s move to rapid-fire questions. So you’ve traveled a lot. So you’ve flown a lot. Yeah.

Haley: 54:07 Yes.

Josh: 54:07 What’s your favorite airline to fly?

Haley: 54:09 United.

Josh: 54:10 Why?

Haley: 54:10 I liked their Polaris. I don’t know. It’s more of like a habit thing.

Josh: 54:13 I feel that I’m a Delta person. Okay. Coolest place that you’ve got to experience and go to in life.

Haley: 54:22 A Maui is coming up. I mean I’ve been to a lot of cool places, but now he has just this distinct energy. Are you going there and Hawaii?

Josh: 54:29 Uh, yeah. We’re going to like four or five different ones I think. Yeah, Maui, Hawaii,

Haley: 54:34 his energy is just like, it’s unreal.

Josh: 54:37 Yeah. I think we’re going to do six or seven days there.

Haley: 54:39 Wow.

Josh: 54:40 Yeah. So there’ll be a minute, cause we’re going to go to Hawaii for two and a half weeks, so I want to go jump in, jump over some waterfalls or jumping volcanoes or something. I’ll do something to cool things. Yeah. Yeah. We’re going to drone. It’ll be super cool. A bucket list item that you want to do before you die. I’ve kind of feel like I already know this so you can’t, you can’t say have a TV show because we already know you want to have a TV show.

Haley: 55:02 Darn it. I’m okay. I actually, well I want to be on the cover of Forbes.

Josh: 55:09 Wow. All right. I can see that happening though. I mean, you’re 23 and you’ve already been in Forbes, so you’ve got what? At least another 60 years to make that happen. So I won’t take that long. That’d be awesome. Okay. Um, there’s, Oh, are you, like, do you do cars at all or houses? Like what’s your guilty pleasure of where you’d spend, like if you’re gonna drop a quarter million bucks on something, where would you like, what kind of stuff? Like, like I always asked, like the guys, it’s always like, Hey, what’s your dream car? And it’s like, it’s a Lambo or they, and some, some of them are like, I don’t, not a car person. I’m a house person. Right? Like, so I want a mansion. Like, what’s your, Hey, if I ever had a lot of money, this is what I’d spend it on type deal.

Haley: 55:47 Um, I’ve been manifesting like crazy. Porsche McConn, GTS, white interior.

Josh: 55:54 You’re the second. Who’s the other girl that I know Natasha, I think hers is a white Porsche as well, is her dream car? I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know Porsches that well.

Haley: 56:06 I’m so obsessed. It’s like the SUV one. You’re so beautiful.

Josh: 56:10 All right. Well there has, all right, last question I have for you, and this is a question that we ask every single person that we interview on the podcast. I want you to fast forward to the end of your life and you’re on your death bed and everything that you’ve in your life is gone. All your accomplishments, money, success, fame, all of it’s gone. But you get to leave every single person that you’ve touched and influenced either directly or indirectly with one final message. What would that message be?

Haley: 56:39 You only have one life,

Josh: 56:40 so go live it.

Haley: 56:41 Yeah. I mean, Steve Jobs didn’t up here from his Stanford commencement speech, but yeah, that’s my big one. Only got one life. Yolo, right? No,

Josh: 56:52 you’re a star. You start the lit a nonprofit and the Yolo. I feel that. Haley, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I appreciate it. Um, any last words or anything?

Haley: 57:06 No, it was awesome to meet you though.

Josh: 57:08 Yeah, absolutely. If you ever need anything, please let me know. Um, I seen, well, hopefully, take good care of you. Hopefully, they have, right? They always do. They’re awesome. Probably. Oh, I have to tell one final little story here. We were supposed to have our interview last Tuesday, I want to say, or Wednesday, something like that or whatever it was. Um, I went to the dentist and that’s why I couldn’t make it because I was like, yeah, I haven’t been to the dentist in five years. I’m going to go in, I’m going to get a quick 45-minute cleaning and be in and out.

Josh: 57:39 And it did. That didn’t work. That was two and a half hours at the dentist, so I apologize for having to reschedule. I know, I know. So that’s why we couldn’t do it. So that’s kind of the story behind that. Yeah, it’s all good.

Josh: 57:49 Alright guys. It has been Haley Hoffman Smith. Check her out on Instagram. We’ll link everything below. As always, hustle, hustle, God bless. Do not be afraid to think different because that is what we as free thinkers do, and that’s how we’re going to change the world. We think different. We do it different, and yeah, that’s just… that’s how we do it. I love you all and I will see you on next podcast episode. Take it easy fam. Peace.

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