Think Different Theory

The Problems With America, Source vs. God, and is Profanity Okay?


In this episode, I interview Nik Robbins, the CEO, and Co-Founder of Be Top Local, a multiple 7 figure online advertising agency that serves medical office nationwide. He’s also the founder of Krusader Nation which is an online agency training course and has taught hundreds of others to start and grow their own marketing agencies. Nik has grown his agency to 3.5 million in the first  20 months by utilizing ClickFunnels and developing a bulletproof sales process to close high ticket clients.

He literally went from drugs, alcohol, and being an all F student, to becoming a multi-talented entrepreneur who has personally closed over 400 local business clients, sold $7 Million in revenue so far, and is the driving force behind several coaching programs for emerging entrepreneurs.


If you’ve ever wondered what the difference between “God” and “Source” are, or if/why profanity is “wrong” (or is it?), or what the problems with America are (and how to fix them?), then this episode is perfect for you, because Nik will be sharing all his insights on those subjects. He’s also pretty vocal with politics as well, so if you’re into this kinda stuff, you will love this episode. Enjoy!

Here are the key topics discussed in this episode:

  • The drunk drug addict arrest version of Nick who took seven years to get a four-year degree (06:10)
  • How to easily get straight As in college (12:53)
  • Setting up the most beneficial homeschooling curriculum for kids (21:06)
  • Money is a byproduct of the value that we bring to the marketplace and to other human beings (31:28)
  • What success is really all about (38:09)
  • Leadership and the role the elite play in ensuring the collective of all gets better (47:37)
  • How we become who we hand out with and the issue of social separation in the world (01:00:55)
  • The need for a widespread fundamental belief that life is sacred (01:09:22)
  • The things that make us vibrate positively or negatively (01:16:16)
  • The conundrum of whether there are absolutes in the world and how source communicates (01:19:31)
  • Let your speech be seasoned with grace? (01:34:10)
  • The original definition of marriage versus today’s societal definition (01:38:57)
  • Nik’s belief on whether the kingdom of heaven is within (01:50:37)
  • Donald Trump getting things done despite some of his reckless moves (01:58:24)


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November 20, 2019


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Nik: 00:00:00 The biggest problem I think in really in America and in the world, is lack of education. As much as I love biology, and I remember the mitochondria of plants and stuff, like that’s cool, like teach somebody what debt is. Okay? Teach somebody how to stay out of debt. Teach people… I guarantee that you could ask eight out of ten people on the street right now if they know what an amortized loan is, and they’re going to have no idea. They’re gonna have no clue how it works. They’re gonna have no idea what’s the difference, what APR means. They have no idea how much they’re actually spending for these things. And, it’s the system that wants you to be a debt slave and it’s disgusting.

Intro: 00:00:32 You‌ ‌are‌ ‌now‌ ‌entering‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌So, ‌here’s‌ ‌my‌ ‌issue.‌ ‌I‌ ‌wanted‌ ‌to‌ ‌find‌ ‌the‌ ‌ answers‌ ‌to‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌questions.‌ ‌Things‌ ‌like,‌ ‌how‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌become‌ ‌happy‌ ‌and‌ ‌live‌ ‌with‌ ‌purpose?‌ ‌ How‌ ‌do‌ ‌I‌ ‌make‌ ‌more‌ ‌money‌ ‌doing‌ ‌what‌ ‌I‌ ‌love,‌ ‌and‌ ‌what‌ ‌does‌ ‌it‌ ‌mean‌ ‌to‌ ‌be‌ ‌truly‌ ‌successful‌ ‌in‌ ‌ all‌ ‌areas‌ ‌of‌ ‌life?‌ ‌My‌ ‌name‌ ‌is‌ ‌Josh‌ ‌Forti,‌ ‌@JoshForti‌ ‌on‌ Instagram,‌ ‌and‌ ‌I‌ ‌ask‌ ‌life’s‌ ‌biggest‌ ‌ questions‌ ‌and‌ ‌share‌ ‌the‌ ‌answers‌ ‌with‌ ‌you.‌ ‌My‌ ‌goal‌ ‌is‌ ‌to‌ ‌help‌ ‌you‌ ‌find‌ ‌purpose,‌ happiness,‌ ‌and‌ ‌ open‌ ‌your‌ ‌mind‌ ‌to‌ ‌new‌ ‌realms‌ ‌of‌ ‌possibility‌ ‌by‌ ‌helping‌ ‌you‌ ‌think‌ ‌differently‌ ‌about‌ ‌everything‌ ‌you‌ do,‌ ‌know,‌ ‌and‌ ‌understand.‌ ‌On‌ ‌this‌ ‌podcast,‌ ‌we‌ ‌think‌ ‌different,‌ ‌we‌ ‌dream‌ ‌bigger,‌ ‌and‌ ‌we‌ ‌live‌ ‌in‌ ‌a‌ ‌ world‌ ‌without‌ ‌limits.‌ ‌This‌ ‌is‌ ‌a‌ ‌new‌ ‌paradigm.‌ ‌Welcome‌ ‌to‌ ‌The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory.

WARNING: 00:01:16 Warning, and I want to be very clear here. This episode contains strong language. While The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory is primarily a clean podcast, there are certain episodes that are intended for a more mature audience. This is one of those episodes. Listener discretion is advised.

Josh: 00:01:32 What’s up guys? Welcome back to another episode of The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory. My name is Josh Forti. And, you can tell we have good audio again, and I’m not sure when this is… we probably actually had good audio last episode too, but we have good audio again guys. I got the adapter. We got to Maui and I am recording on my beautiful ATR 2100 microphone again, which I love so very dearly. For those of you that are tuning in for the first time, or have never listened to this before, my name is Josh Forti. And, the last couple of episodes we did, we had a little catastrophe happen.

Josh: 00:02:03 I packed $10,000 worth of electronics in my backpack to go to Hawaii, and forgot the only adapter that mattered, which is the adapter from my microphone to the computer. And, it was just a bad day. So I had to record a couple episodes on my phone while we were going through, and it just wasn’t the greatest audio. And one of the things that I’m like anal about is like, “Hey, I’m going to have a podcast, so all audio and needs to have good quality audio.” So we are back. Which is super, super exciting. And, we’re in Maui right now, and I gotta tell you guys, my next guest. I had no… like I knew who he was. We’d actually done business together before. That was a total flop, but we won’t go into that. That was so funny. We did… we ended up making it all good.

Josh: 00:02:42 It was so funny. Maybe we’ll talk about that on this episode, but I knew who he was, but I had never actually met him. And for those of you that have been following me for awhile, or in the internet marketing community, you may know Sema. And, she is… she’s been a friend of mine for several years. She does a lot of Facebook ads stuff, actually, Nik, how do you pronounce Sema’s last name?

Nik: 00:03:01 Its Erzouki.

Josh: 00:03:01 Erzouki. Okay? Sema Erzouki. She’s absolutely awesome. She does Facebook ads for really, really big people. She’s worked with Dan Henry and Steve Larsen, and just a bunch of really cool people. And so, this is her boyfriend, and she’s like, talked about him before, been like, “He’s awesome. Like you guys would get along. You need to meet,” and everything like that. And I’m like, “Alright. Well, you know, that’s cool. Maybe someday we’ll meet.”

Josh: 00:03:20 Well then, we get on a cruise ship together for The Modern Profits Cruise with Ross Williams. And, Nik was on there, and we meet for the first time. And like, we immediately hit it off. I was like, “This dude is super cool.” And then, um, I think it was like the second night we were up, uh, I think we had some cigars out and we’re just kind of all chatting around and like Nik and I like started talking about like, I was listening to the conversation, he was talking about a lot like deeper stuff and like a lot of stuff that I’m into and I’m like, wait a second. Like, I like this guy even more now. So we hit it off and just had an amazing conversation that night about stuff. And I was like, this dude absolutely has to be on the podcast.

Josh: 00:03:56 And so we’re probably not even gonna talk a lot about like his major business accomplishments, just knowing him. I think we’re probably gonna stick more on the philosophy, religion, mindset side of things, but maybe we’ll talk some business as well, but he has absolutely killed it. He’s made over $7 million in the past three years.

Nik: 00:04:12 Yeah. $7 Million.

Josh: 00:04:12 How many steps that $1 million are going to have for you in the past three years? Like actual, like real legitimate business. He helps, um, chiropractors,

Nik: 00:04:21 medical providers,

Josh: 00:04:22 medical providers. I’m butchering this guy’s, but seriously, he is awesome. His name is Nik Robbins. He is, I’m sure going to be a very good friend of mine. We have been friends for a little bit now and is absolutely awesome. Nick, thank you so much man for coming on The‌ ‌Think‌ ‌Different‌ ‌Theory. I am so looking forward to this.

Nik: 00:04:35 Oh absolutely. We’re all super excited to be here in likewise when we started talking, it was the second night of the cruise. We were up to like one in the morning and I was hearing what you were talking and I was like, wait a minute. Oh. And talks like that. I need to go talk with him. What? I love it man. So I’m really excited to chat with you here and see where this thing goes.

Josh: 00:04:50 I love it. In fact, um, as I was waiting for you to get on here, we were having a little bit of audio issues or whatever getting on. I had just finished up buying a bunch of new books. So by the time this podcast is out, actually I, I will, I have announced this by now, so I can tell you right now, I am actually going to be writing a book. And so this is a, is a really big like chef, cause I’ve like been putting it off and putting it off. People have literally told me for years, I probably have been told non sarcastically, probably a hundred times from people that I should write a book. And so I finally have committed to it. I’m like, alright, I’m going to do it. I’m not exactly sure what that’s going to entail yet, but um, Ben Shapiro is a big influence of mine. Um, but also like I want to go back into like philosophy and I really want to dive into this. So I just got, um, done, uh, ordering some Plato and some Aristotle’s a masters of Greek thought, uh, Socrates. Um, Ben Shapiro, Ravi Zacharias, like stuff like that. I literally just bought, I don’t know, a couple hundred dollars probably worth of books and audio books cause I like read and stuff. And so I was like, well that is so fitting because I feel like that’s going to fit in very much a lot into some of the stuff that we’re talking about. But, um, for those people that don’t know, you give us like a quick, quick background about like who you are and what you’re about. And also tell us how old you are because people can’t actually see you. So like, tell us how old you are, tell us a little bit about you and then we’re gonna dive into the good stuff.

Nik: 00:06:10 Absolutely, man. So I’m 32 years old and I like to the last 15 years of my life since I’ve been an adult, there’s really two different versions of Nik. There’s the drunk drug addict arrest version of Nick who took seven years to get a four year degree, um, six community colleges to universities, three States, eight cities, all within four years before I finally settled in. And then there’s the business side of me, right? I actually got a job. I started working in professional sports. I worked for the NBA and the NFL. I started a business about four or five years ago.

Nik: 00:06:40 Now we’re up to 16 employees do over 3 million a year in revenue and growing that site out. Um, so there’s really two different versions. I mean there man. But that’s a little about me. I’m a book written Florida, the beach myself today. So.

Josh: 00:06:52 dude, that’s incredible. I feel like wow. Seven, seven years to create a four year degree. So during that time, were you like, this is life. I love my life. Party central or were you like, I hate my life and I’m just trying to figure it all out?

Nik: 00:07:05 Honestly, it was party central and the party started for me when I was about 14 years old. Really? Gift. Yeah. You know, I mean, we got no filter on this thing, right? We can just go [inaudible] guy who was eating mushrooms and I was 15 years old, smoking pot. Um, you know, all that good stuff. I was blessed to have a very photographic memory, so I was able to get a 4.0 and kind of do whatever I wanted in high school. As long as I get good grades, what’s my mom going to say? Right. And I got a job and I can pay for my stuff. But you know, drugs and in dreams,

Josh: 00:07:35 your mom know you are eating mushrooms and smoking pot though.

Nik: 00:07:38 she knew I was drinking. She had taught me a few times. I started smoking cigarettes, you know, hung out with, I mean I love some my old friends, but yeah, let’s just say we were, we were doing some knucklehead based things and knucklehead slated and it got worse and worse. I was about 17, 18 and that’s when I got into heating and Coke and all that type of stuff. Right. Um, and then got into college and then became a major pothead. All of a sudden I was like, wait a minute, I don’t have to go to class. No one’s watching me. And I just got really stoned all the time. You know, I had a great time.

Josh: 00:08:05 I have done that. Not in college, but I know what that is like.

Nik: 00:08:09 Yeah. And it was good for the first year, year and a half actually got a 0.23 my first semester at college, man, they put me on academic pro probation. I had a four, four F’s, a D minus and an incomplete and a I’d always been 4.0 students. So that was quite a alarm. I kind of figured out a little bit about college, um, and how to pass the grades.

Josh: 00:08:29 But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a 0.3 GPA, 0.2,

Nik: 00:08:34 3.23 G I.

Josh: 00:08:37 like w are you still enrolled at that point?

Nik: 00:08:40 So I was on academic probation ever probation. So I was still enrolled cause it’s my first semester and the only reason I had anything, and it wasn’t a zero was because of the D minus may.

Josh: 00:08:48 But once you get a D minus in,

Nik: 00:08:50 Oh man, what did I get the DMR?

Josh: 00:08:52 Did you just show up for class one time? Is that all it was.

Nik: 00:08:54 I just never, and so like in, in high school, I never studied. I never did any of that stuff. Doesn’t work in college. At least I learned that I had to at least show up to the classes to what to kind of look at and yeah, it didn’t work very well. My first semester was brutal. Um, but it was in like a creative writing class that I got the D minus.

Josh: 00:09:11 It was ridiculous. That’s funny. That’s funny. Well, Hey, so, okay, so then what happened? Now I’m just intrigued.

Nik: 00:09:18 Just [inaudible] the next semester was great. Got friends, I got straight CS. I learned that if I went to class at least 50% of the time I could pass. Um,

Josh: 00:09:27 [inaudible] is the, it was that, is that what it is? Like I dropped out of college after one semester. So like you sees that, what is a passing grade?

Nik: 00:09:33 These get degrees, bro, you know, cities get through. There you go. Yeah. So I figured that out. Um, the next year I was in a serious relationship at the time and that really fell off a cliff. And over the next year and a half, that’s when it went from fun and doing drugs. And having a good time too. Okay. I’m miserable. Um, I’ve got a lot of issues. I’ve got a lot of internal things I needed to figure out. The grades started being really bad. I started drinking a lot of sort of gain a lot of weight. Um, and it just was not a good time. It was.

Josh: 00:10:02 And for those of you listening right now, I’m actually looking at Nick right now because we’re on like a zoom call. You have to understand like I’m pretty darn skinny, right? Like me, me, Josh, 40 like I’m one of the skinniest people. I know Nick is pretty skinny as well though. Like Nick is not a big or heavy set dude by any means. So for you to gain some weight, must’ve been some, some serious stuff must have been happening.

Nik: 00:10:25 Oh yeah man. I was about 30 pounds heavier. I stopped moving. I was always active when I was, when I was younger, right when I was doing all this smoke and the weed and drink and I was always going out. This time it was just sitting in my house and my circle got less and less than I really started spouting off. I wasn’t doing good in school. I didn’t want to be in college. I didn’t really believe in it. I was only there, um, really, because that’s what I was told I needed to do and that’s what my mom wanted. And, uh, I always knew when I got out of college, I was gonna get into sales anyways. So I’m like, fuck moment here. What’s just started going down, you know?

Josh: 00:10:55 So where’d you, I mean, I know you jumped around to like a million different schools, but like where’d you start? Where’d you end up?

Nik: 00:11:00 Yeah, good question. So I started at university of Nevada. It’s right outside in Reno and it’s right outside a Lake Tahoe for those of you who are familiar with that in Reno, Nevada, casinos, all that time. There’s a couple of years they were great. But yeah, it was, it was brutal.

Josh: 00:11:14 And what did you, what were you studying? Like what was the degree? Oh, what did I say?

Nik: 00:11:17 Finance is what I started off studying. Yeah.

Josh: 00:11:20 And what’d you end up getting a degree in?

Nik: 00:11:22 I actually got my degree in finance.

Josh: 00:11:23 Okay, so you did fit. Listen, you’re a finished your neck. [inaudible] finished.

Nik: 00:11:31 I a, you know, I did terrible in Reno. I ended up leaving after a bad breakup. I moved to Berkeley in California.

Josh: 00:11:37 Oh wow. That’s super liberal.

Nik: 00:11:39 Started drinking. Yeah, very, very liberal. Um, I was, my friends in my at the time were all very conservative. Is that your 2008 to, so it was around the election. It was really interesting to observe the difference.

Josh: 00:11:49 Is that with Obama election though?

Nik: 00:11:50 Obama first one? Yeah, the first Obama.

Josh: 00:11:53 I was actually in Ireland during that election, but continually,

Nik: 00:11:56 yeah. No, it was interesting to observe what people thought was going to happen. I mean, there was times where I was on buses and after he was elected, people were literally yelling, I’m never going to have to work again. Like it was, it was insanity to think what people were thought was going to happen after he was elected. Right. I know at some point that’s probably gonna get political a hundred percent this podcast. Dig 100% I’m sitting there with my friends like that as you’re, you’re so confused about what’s about to happen.

Josh: 00:12:24 That’s a really good way to put it.

Nik: 00:12:26 Things are not going to change like they think you do. I think the best domination of it ever. Have you ever seen that South park episode with Randy and when Obama wins the election?

Josh: 00:12:35 I’ve never watched one South park episode my whole life dude.

Nik: 00:12:39 So, okay. Well there’s a great reason that it’s hilarious. I’ve never been up to work again. It’s, it’s hilarious. But yeah, it was in, was in Berkeley, was drinking every day still, but I figured out how to get, you know, passing grades, you know, and I was, yeah.

Josh: 00:12:51 Did you go to Berkeley or just move there?

Nik: 00:12:53 No, I went to Berkeley city college. Do you want to know how to get easy A’s? Go to Berkeley fucking city college, bro. It was literally like being in a sophomore in high school, like the level of what they’re actually putting something out there. It was sickeningly, um, like not good. It was just not, it wasn’t hard. Um, they let people get away with murder in there. I was just there to raise my GPA back up, like go back and get into another university that was basically kicked out of university this point because my grades were so bad. Like I had that one good semester straight CS and then it just went off the cliff again.

Josh: 00:13:23 I don’t want to, I don’t want to completely tool on college here because I think that, you know, college has it purpose for certain things but I just want to like make a comparison here just real quick. You’re 32 years old, you had 7 million bucks in the past three years. You did $3 million, like $3 million a year. Anyone that thinks that college is what is needed. Like I don’t know how to like give you a more clear and accurate picture right here that says that like college doesn’t actually do anything for you unless like you actually use like you don’t have to have college to be successful. You know what I mean? Like college, you can use it and it can be like a leverage point. But like you have all people and I actually have no idea of your stance on college. I’m just assuming here. But like college, it’s good for doctors. It’s good for people that need to go study law. But as a general rule, it’s not necessarily in any way needed for success for honor.

Nik: 00:14:14 Dude, it’s funny we’re on this topic because my number one passion now and life is to essentially eradicate the institution that we call education. It is the biggest pile of fucking garbage ever. Um, I am so disgusted with it. You nailed it when you said that, you know, doctors, engineers, tshirt, they, they tested that. But that’s only because I don’t know what’s being taught. I would imagine that they’re being taught garbage as well. But for the average everyday, assuming American who wants to make money and support their life, you are way better off going to a trade school, a technical school, learning a skill set that is going to go out there and deliver value in the marketplace that you can actually go out and make money and then teach it in college.

Josh: 00:14:53 So, so let me, let me ask you about this then. So I have a lot of friends back home that, uh, and we won’t go get political with it right now, but I would say that like a lot of them, we want to be teachers. I have a sister that wants to be a teacher, right? And so this dilemma is, Hey, I think college is dumb, but I have to go to college because I wanna be a teacher. Right? And so if I want to teach, let’s say third graders, right? Or kindergarten or whatever, right? Like this whole thing is like, I’ve got to go to college for it, right? So, and the argument for that is to say, well, if you’re going to be teaching children, right? If you’re going to be teaching somebody else studies, you should probably first go to school to get educated on what those things are.

Josh: 00:15:36 And so my, I guess my question to you is not so much of like what should they do? Because like the current laws are already in place. It’s kind of obvious what they have to do, but like what’s the solution moving forward? Like if you were a dictator and you could be like, snap my fingers, fix the education system, right? Like my thing is I’m like for, Hey for those of you that are out there that actually want to be a teacher, I think you need to ask yourself the question of do you want to be a teacher, like actually teach in a school system or do you want to be a teacher and teach people things? Because if you just want to teach people things, you can go make YouTube videos about that, right? Like you can literally go create an audience, you can create content and like you can literally become like, I’m a teacher, you’re a teacher. Right? Like, like we’re teachers in a way. So like for me, you know, my thing is, is like, okay, like if you just want to be a teacher, you got to ask yourself that question. You can go teach in many different formats and ways, but if you want to be a teacher, what would your recommendation to someone that’s like, no, I actually want to go be a teacher? Like what would you tell them?

Nik: 00:16:30 Yeah, I mean, and that’s actually a great question. Um, my view if I was a dictator, right? Cause you asked me a few things that if I was there, here’s what I would do in this sec I want to look into to doing is starting charter called school systems with our own curriculum. Um, the biggest problem I think in really in America and in the world is lack of education. I think that there’s some gaps, but I really think it’s the knowledge gap is the biggest thing because if you’re surrounded by individuals who know how to make money, who know how to do certain things, you’re going to make money like it by default. Exactly. And no one is, that is such a huge factor in all the different gaps between income gaps, things like that. But what I would want to do is a charter school that focuses on teaching real life skills.

Nik: 00:17:12 Okay. As much as I love biology, and I remember the mitochondria of fucking plants and stuff like that’s cool. Like, gee, somebody what debt is okay? Teach somebody how to stay out of debt seats people. I guarantee that you could ask eight out of 10 people on the street right now if they know what an amortized loan is and they’re gonna have no fucking idea, they have no clue how it works. We’re going to have no idea what the difference, what APR means. They have no idea how much they’re actually spending for these things. And it’s the system once you to be a debt slave and it’s disgusting. And really as soon as government got involved with backing educational loans, that’s when it really became nasty because now educate costs of education is skyrocketing. Yet what it’s producing is, is pure shit. And think of the next level.

Nik: 00:17:51 And what’s crazy to me is you’ve got all these, these traditional educations, right? You’re a teacher, I’m a teacher as well, right? And we teach a lot of people, and frankly there’s sometimes we UT [inaudible] hundreds of thousands of people I’ve taught thousands like that can be more than one single teacher can teach in their lifetime. Right? But that’s a different discussion. I love teachers. I don’t want to bash me professionally and I don’t want anyone to think that I’m, but when you look at a traditional education, right? Let’s look at a college, what college has asked you to do, pay us a shit ton of money to take our tests that we can tell you that if you fail and there’s absolutely zero guarantee of a job and it’s gonna cost you 50 grand and you’re going to spend half of your time there learning shit you’re never gonna use again.

Nik: 00:18:29 Can you imagine releasing an info product? How fast the FTC would be up your ass if that was what was going on with absolutely zero guarantee, it’d be shut down so freaking fast. You’d be in prison, right? They should be in prison. And what’s also crazy, and I don’t know how much you’ve looked into this, but it’s really interesting if you look at the technical schools and the trade schools, they have to have like 90% job placement rates or else they actually get stuck down crazy nuts. And that’s why they’re so great because you go the Warren a good skill and they actually unfortunately, but where’s the accountability to the collegiate system? The educational system. One of my, sorry, I’ll let you [inaudible]. Okay, keep going. I don’t know Dominique.

Josh: 00:19:03 No, no, no, no. I love this. I will listen to you all day. I want to just kind of narrate the conversation here a little bit for those people that are like, wow, like freaking fire hose of information here. Okay. Like all right Nick, like chill out here for a second. No, I would listen to all day. Dude. I’m on the same page, but I am curious about two specific things that you said there. Um, first off being the, uh, the, the fact that like the system actually wants you to be dominant on an educated, I want to touch on that, but, but I also want you to kind of afford that. You talked about like, okay, you would like to have basically your own private education system that you can create. Right? I feel like in a way that is kind of an, and this is at a very small level and a very mass level at the same time.

Josh: 00:19:44 That’s kind of homeschooling, right? Cause like I was homeschooled growing up and I grew up, I have eight kids in the family. I was second oldest are seven now my brother passed away. But like we were all homeschooled. [inaudible] my older brother was, was in a private school until third grade I think. And then we were homeschooled after that. Right. I was homeschooled my whole life. All of my younger siblings, six youngest, two younger boys, four younger sisters, all homeschooled and comparatively to every other student that went to a public school. And this is not like to brag or like to be like, Oh, we’re bad or whatever, but people told us all the time, you guys are smarter, you guys are able to talk more, you’re able to communicate better. Like you have a better understanding of reality, you have a better understanding of hard work.

Josh: 00:20:21 Like you know how to like show up on time. Like there’s an overall, all of my homeschool friends where like we were all like glorified anywhere we went. That was outside of the homeschool community. Like you are the best behaved kids ever. Right? And so for me, I’m like, cool, that’s awesome. Like this is just what I know. Like I don’t know any different than that because that’s where I grew up. But then I got out of that and I like looked around at like the education system and I’m like, Oh, the education system actually sucks. And what you’re saying of like, Hey, we need to create like curriculum,

Josh: 00:20:48 private ties, curriculum, that all follows. Maybe a standard I would imagine of some sort. But, um, like I feel like that’s kind of what homeschooling is allowing parents to do. Those be parents that have those resources. Talk to me a little bit more about what that would look like specifically with you and I don’t know if you’ve looked into homeschooling at all, but y’all like your thoughts on homeschooling or how you would set that up.

Nik: 00:21:06 Yeah, so I haven’t gone super deep down the legal things about this, but I’ve spent a lot of time, I recently sold a majority share of my business, which I’m sure we’ll get to. So now I’ve got [inaudible] I’ve got a fresh path. I’ve got some really big opportunities and options moving forward. Um, but what it would look like, the curriculum, the number one thing, the number one thing that I would teach kids immediately mindset. The fact that we control our thoughts, we control our behavior, we control our outcomes in life and teaching people not to be victims, which is almost in a sense the opposite of what happens in a lot of institutions and especially higher education institutions today. That’s the number one thing. The next thing I would teach is.

Josh: 00:21:41 mindset. Oh, at what age though?

Nik: 00:21:43 Yeah. So I would start, and this is where I’m really starting to look into, um, I, you know, when you’re, the ages of zero to seven is when the brain is the most valuable, malleable. And that’s when so much of our behavior is actually dictated by what we learn and what we do from the ages of zero to seven. One are not just the ones there, but yeah.

Josh: 00:22:00 What we just observed. Right.

Nik: 00:22:01 And it’s really crazy. I don’t know how deep you’ve gone into like childhood traumas. A majority of us operate. Yeah. Operating systems are ran based on things that we didn’t even, conch weren’t even consciously aware of. Right. So I would become very, very aware of what are we teaching as kids consciously starting with the ages of four and five. I was looking probably right around the kindergarten age. Right. Um, and that’s when people can really start to grow five to seven. You know, obviously I’m not going to be getting deep into like, you know, neurons and you know, plasticity in the brain and stuff. And in my Milan and you know, how the brain works, but like when you’re very conscious of what’s being said to these individuals and these kids and getting them to build certain belief structures that are going to help them become contributors in life and raise up our fellow humans around us. And, and so I, I don’t know exactly, um, [inaudible] the exact steps, but that would be, would be more higher level stuff and basically pumping people up, getting them to understand that, um, you know, the key to life is raising up other humans and delivering value to other humans.

Nik: 00:22:58 That’s where fulfillment comes from. That’s what happens. That’s where money comes from. You want to make more money, help more people. It’s really like, that’s in a nutshell. Yeah.

Josh: 00:23:06 Okay. So first thing you’d say is, okay, you focused on mindset then what?

Nik: 00:23:10 I would focus on mindset and then I would start looking to teach them about developing skills. I would teach them teamwork. I don’t teach them hard work, um, in regards to, so I actually love sports. I don’t know if you’ve played sports very much, but there’s a lot that you can learn from being a part of a team from competing and working to, to win. Okay. I think that there’s a really good healthy aspect of competition. Obviously like anything in life, there can be negative aspects in it as well. But I think that this striving to when, especially when you can work together in a team environment is something that’s really, really powerful.

Nik: 00:23:40 So I would have something focused around teamwork, team bonding, team skills, working as a team, um, in order to almost force relationship building because we’ve got, I mean, humans, we’re, we’re social creatures. I mean, you just, Oh, you gotta look as all the depression, anxiety and the lack of human connection we have these days. And it’s, it’s, it’s very sad, right? So I focused on teamwork and then as they grew up, grew up and got older, right? I mean, yeah, we’re still gonna teach them math and spelling and some of these core things, right? Like, I’m not going to say, Oh, not gonna teach. You got a fucking read. Like how to read math, arithmetic, that type of stuff. And then I would move quickly into financial literacy and delivering value in the marketplace. How free markets work and how you can raise yourself up and deliver more value to your humans. Because the more value you bring, the more you’re going to have more money you’re going to make, the more you’re going to contribute to this world, the more fulfilling you’re going to have, the more better your relationships are going to be. Everything, you know?

Josh: 00:24:35 Yeah. So let me, let me ask you this. Um, actually side note, the whole mindset topic. I believe that one of the key fundamental pieces of teaching a child mindset, it is teaching them self confidence. I believe that lack of self confidence could very well be the single greatest reason that we are where we are at today in society because we do not have the self confidence. And I believe that the reason so many people play the victim mentality. I believe the reason that the me too movement is so strong and I’m not specifically calling out the me too movement. So in, you know, six years or eight years when I’m in politics, but you don’t take this out of context and be like, Josh, Jason, me too movement. Okay. Like that’s not what I’m trying to say here. Like context. I’m saying the reason people are being, you know, social justice warriors and the victimizer, but it’s because they do not believe in themselves and have the self competence in themselves to say, Hey, I actually do go out and can control my own reality.

Josh: 00:25:28 Right? I actually can stand up and make my own decisions. I don’t have to look to the government or my parents or a teacher to go out and do that. I believe that lack of self confidence is what is a huge overwhelming problem in society. And I believe that, and we’re going to get to this. I know, but, uh, I believe that the, one of the main reasons that Donald Trump was elected is because Donald Trump gave people competence again, right? Confidence that they actually had a choice or something that they can make a difference. But side note, they’re going back to the education thing though. I’m curious to know, Oh, from a

Nik: 00:25:59 well look, hold on, let me, let me just, let me, let me just agree with you because that in a nutshell, if you ask me what does mindset mean to you? I means learning how to develop something and then the next question is how do you develop self confidence and that is becoming someone who does what you say you’re gonna fricking do. It’d be, it’s becoming a word of the human being. Someone who feels good about the work they put in every single day. So teaching kids how to do that at a young age because I could not agree more. I 100% agree with you. Lack of self confidence is the problem everywhere. If people just had self compensates, people who are self confidence get everything in life, they get everything from money to girls to business to relationship because they’re not afraid to go out there and ask. They’re not afraid to go out there and get shut down because you’ve got great self conscious. It doesn’t matter if you’re told no, I’m mean, I don’t know about you. You’re in sales. I’ve made 50,000 cold calls in four years. I was told no a lot when I started. I guess what comes to that, a certain level of Brit that most people don’t.

Nik: 00:26:54 we don’t develop because we, we baby our kids these days with the fucking participation trophies and everybody’s going to get a medal and a ribbon and all this stuff. So I just want to say I completely agree with you and I love that you brought that up cause that’s so true when it comes to mindset, there’s so many levels you can take that back down. But [inaudible] through the day, the simplest concept, developing self confidence is the core problem with everything. And it’s mind blowing to me. [inaudible] seven and a half billion people on this planet and we’re all like terrified of each other. We’re all walking around worried about what the other one’s thinking of us and it’s crazy. And the moment you realize that they’re not thinking about you, they’re thinking about where you’re thinking about them. That’s when everything kind of like, Oh my God, you know, you just have to, you know, like it’s, it’s crazy when people can realize it. So bring with listening, if you’re worried about that all the time and whether people think about you, how you dress, how you look, I promise you they’re worried about what you think about that. Right. And truly grasp that man a certain level of freedom and self confidence really just comes on.

Josh: 00:27:51 Yeah. There’s a quote that, um, I don’t necessarily agree with because it’s, it’s kind of, um, very like full of one selfish, but I think that in this context, what we’re talking about here, that there’s a lot of truth to it. It says, I used to be worried about what everybody thought of me until then I woke up one day and realized I wonder what I think about them, right? Like, and so it’s like, Oh, this whole perspective shift of like, just simply the way that you look at it. And yeah, me and my girlfriend and I have had pretty in depth conversations about this topic of like for me, I literally don’t care what anybody thinks of me. I want a respect right from people. But I don’t care if people don’t like me. Right? I don’t care if people hate me, I don’t care if it’s because I’m grounded in what I believe.

Josh: 00:28:34 And when you are grounded in what you believe, now you have self competence. I have this self competence to know, I absolutely believe in these fundamental fruits. And unless those fundamental truths are shaken, anybody like literally Donald Trump himself, who I’m a fan of, right, could attack me and be like, you’re a terrible human being. I’d be like, stop Donald. I’m still gonna vote for you. Well you know, maybe, but like, you know what I mean? Like and I mean it’d be cool like that because I’m self competent in that. So anyway, I think that was [inaudible]

Nik: 00:28:55 I know a lot of you brought it up cause people might hear that. Right. And I think it’s important because it also happens when people talk about being present in the moment and living in the now and if you have already Eckhart totally right. Um, when it talks about self comes, what I’m not saying is to walk around flipping everyone off, they would, Eckhart totally says breathe and be present in the moment. It doesn’t mean I don’t plan the future. Right? So like you always got naysayers and you’re like, Oh, well what about this? Like, no man, I’m not saying be a jerk and not care. It’s like, no, just be you fundamental truths. You explain it really well. B, you show up as you and be happy with who you are. If you like video games or you like anime or you like stuff that certain people might think is weird, whatever, go out there, own it. You know, just show it. People love that when people show up. Right? Yeah,

Josh: 00:29:40 for sure. And I think super, super important. But I do fundamentally believe that in order to do that, you have to know what you believe. Right? Like you ha you have to be grounded in something. At least enough to where if somebody pushes you on it, you’re like, no, this is actually what I believe. Right. And I think that that’s important. Okay. I want to go and I want to move on to that. Like back, back to the second question that I had with this specifically. When it comes to though, you talked about like, okay, I’m going to teach them the fundamental skills. I’m going to teach himself competence in mindset. I’m going to teach them the basic things. Reading, math, earth, you know, Matha, you know, spelling, things like that. And then you’re like, okay, I’m going to go directly into the financial literacy literacy side of things, right?

Josh: 00:30:15 I’m going to teach them about dead. I’m going to teach them how to pay taxes. I’m going to teach them about, you know, money and how it works and all that. Which by the way, I am the biggest supporter of, right? I am absolutely a 100% agreement with that, but allow me to play the devil’s advocate here for a second. All right, and I want to know your response to this. There are a lot more than I realize and it blows my mind every time I realized that this number is bigger and bigger and bigger every time I look at it, where there are an overwhelming amount of people out there that are like, but it’s not all about money, Nik. Right, right. You know what I’m saying? Like, and they’re going to go out there and they’re going to be like, well, what about teaching our kids to be kind?

Josh: 00:30:50 Well, what about teaching our kids to, to give to the poor? Or what about teaching our kids, you know, about the fact that, you know, we need to teach them about how to wear a condom, right? Or we need to teach them about like, that there is no God, we need to teach them that, you know, we can be whatever sex we want to be or, and I’m not trying to, you know, throw shots at those, but like, there’s a lot of other people out there that are like, Hey, uh, it’s not all about money, Nik. We gotta teach them about these other things. We’ve got to teach them about other things that are not as important. And I have my own way to destroy that argument or not destroy the argument, but, but counter that argument with this. But I’d be curious to know your thoughts if I’m coming to you and I’m like, Hey, it’s not all about money, Nik. Right?

Nik: 00:31:28 So, yeah. So I got you and I’m on this. So, um, I, I’m going to allude to what I said as a foundation, right? Mindset and delivering value. So delivering value and getting good at a craft. And remember what I said earlier, you know, and I truly believe this, the number one thing we need to teach kids how to go out there and contribute to the world and raise up our fellow humans, that money is a byproduct of that. And that’s it. It money is a byproduct of the value that you bring to the marketplace, to other human beings and the difficulty or combined with the difficulty in replacing it. And so that’s what I’d be focusing on. Financial literacy will be more about not letting the banks fuck you over in the federal reserve. And all this stuff. You know, we could probably go down a big rabbit holes, but you know, without learning how the system is, is it Ron?

Nik: 00:32:12 So that you can operate within it. And people that say money isn’t everything. I agree I don’t spend money on much, but I’ll tell you what, having years worth of expenses and things lined up certainly lowers pressure and noise in your brain and not lasting your meats. And not having credit card debt and paying off my student loans and not living above my means. And even though income rises, I keep my expenses super low. It lowers pressure noise because what’s the number one reason why most people get divorced? Most reasonable people are stressed because they can’t pay their bills because finances coming up prompt. So for those who say money isn’t everything. I completely agree. I don’t think it’s everything in it all. I think that money is a byproduct of delivering value to the marketplace and the free market system as it should be.

Nik: 00:32:48 So you focus on that and you don’t have to really worry about the money because the money’s going to come. If you develop your skillset and you’re out there contributing value and helping other people, right? So that’s the way that I would look at it on that side of things. And the other thing I would say is the motherfuckers who, the parents who walk in on that and they say, Oh, well money isn’t everything. It’s like everyone, most people in societies, how would they view money is so unbelievably broken. So often I want to just like shake some of these SJW social justice where you’re idiots are like billionaires just poured money. I’m like, just because Jeff Bezos has shit tons of money doesn’t mean you can’t go get money. There’s no finite amount. Money is an infinite resource that is created based on value. All it is his belief behind a fricking piece of paper.

Nik: 00:33:30 And if you go out there and you contribute value to the marketplace, you can raise everything up, right? People are so broken in this like, Oh, there’s not enough. It’s not a finite thing. Now, don’t get me wrong. There’s a lot of shady stuff that happens in corporate, quieter capitalism, crony capitalism and all that stuff. I’m a capitalist but there’s issues a hundred percent no, no system’s perfect. Right? So that’s kinda my, my survey two part answer that. Number one, we focus on value first. It’s not all about money. Number two, we need to reeducate most of the fricking adults in this fucking country about what money is to basically what everyone thinks is most likely wrong. Cause most people suck at everything. Not most people. I, it’s a little aggressive kind of, you know,

Josh: 00:34:07 there’s a lot of people [inaudible] that’s a tweet right there because most people think that everything well about most people.

Nik: 00:34:13 Well what is, so one of the biggest, one of the biggest like mine mind fucks that for me was as I got older when we were kids, right? We think parents and adults have everything figured out and the older we get, and like I said, I’m 32 now, right? I’m getting close, middle age or whatever you want to call it. I look around, I’m like, nobody has fucking things figured out. Nobody has any idea. We’re all just trying to go out there and not be miserable before we die to code. Put Jordan. Peter. So one of my favorite days. So anyways, that’s kind of a long, long answer.

Josh: 00:34:40 Oh man, I like that. Okay. So one of the things I’d like to add about that and only the owners I’m going to add onto that is because I think you’re gonna agree. I’d love to know your thoughts, but I had a conversation with, actually I told you to, to go check out, uh, Brad, uh, Brad Gib and, uh, the team over at cashflow tactics or whatever. I still need to connect you with them. But, um, one of the other guys on the team, there’s three of them. There’s Brad, Ryan and Jimmy and, um, we’re working on a super cool project for them right now. I can’t tell people what it is yet because not out yet, but like I’m, I’m working with them and I had a call this morning with, uh, Ryan from the team getting to know him a little bit better and kind of, you know, matches voice and whatnot.

Josh: 00:35:12 And so I was like, okay, Ryan, like what? Like, what would you tell people? Like, what does it mean to get, you know, your finances, right? Like why is it important or whatnot? And he goes, yeah, we have to understand about finances. Is that everything in life, like life isn’t all about money but everything in life is dictated by money, right? Yeah. But like you have to understand like not everything in life is dictated by somebody else’s opinion. Not everything in life is dictated by you know, somebody’s feelings or this or that. But every thing in life, every decision that you in life, if you are not financially free, if you do not have financial independence, every single decision that you make in life is predicated on money. W what car you drive, where you work, how often you work, when you wake up, the clothes you buy, where you hang out, where your kids go to school.

Josh: 00:35:51 Literally every single thing comes down to money. So when you can go, and I love what you said about money not being a finite resource, right? So the minute you go and go and educate your children on [inaudible] the fundamentals, like I think that the purpose of school pre college should be to educate children on the fundamentals on how to live well. Right? Like any, anything else, like, Oh, you want to go become a scientist? That’s what college is for. Oh, you want to go become a, you know, a, a finance major or like whatever. That’s our job to teach you in, right? That’s not our job to teach you in, you know, the K through 12th grade. It is our job to teach you how to actually set up your life in a way that you can go out and live a great life. And I think that once we understand that, like money is not, like everything doesn’t revolve around money, but everything is determined by our view of, and money touches everything. And so I do think that’s incredibly, incredibly important with that. So I love what you said on that 100%, man. I couldn’t agree more. Um, and it really is,

Nik: 00:36:48 it’s about building correct foundations to me, when you’re doing a T, all of a sudden, I forget, I love my geology, my, my high school geology teacher by the way. But that’s a fucking, that’s a hobby until he and until you go to college, right? Then you go and you get into a trade school, you get into a technical aspect of it and you study that. There is no need for me to need to know about geology when I’m getting a finance degree and not little be required to pay five grand to show up her 50 grand to show up to that fricking classes. No, that’s the garden. And it’s why do you have a route well rounded education? Well, you certainly aren’t talking to many people are graduating for fuck with college and because they’re not given a well rounded on anything and those people find a way to either cheat or get around it or they forget everything. Because the way we teach in college is garbage. And especially with the new online classes where you can find all the answers online and you just go Google search them and stuff like so anyway.

Josh: 00:37:36 [inaudible] that’s for darn sure. Um, the other like simple side note on that too is when you study success, like I think everybody wants to have success in life. Success is different to each Asian and every person, right? But a success comes through focus, right? Like success comes when you focus all of your time and energy on whatever it is that you’re trying to do. And so this whole well rounded education thing, like that’s what we’re supposed to be teaching kids in K through 12. Right? Like give them the fundamentals of what they need and then say, Hey, now whenever you actually want to go do in your life, now go study that specific thing and have a very focused on that specific thing that’s needed here today.

Nik: 00:38:09 Okay. Well, and I want to, I want to touch on the success thing really quick cause I just love, I love sharing this because this changed my life and this goes back to the whole money isn’t everything because money is, I mean, and Tony Robbins always says, you know, success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure, right? Because you have to have fulfillment because if you’re only chasing money, um, and you realize that more money, bigger cars, bigger homes doesn’t fill that fulfillment gap, then yeah, that’s, that’s a problem. But like to me the best definition of success I’ve ever heard is from Earl Nightingale. I don’t know if, you know, that’s my man yearly opened me up to a lot of he’s, but success is the, the um, progressive realization of a worthy ideal. Right? And that could be being a better mom, being a better husband, wife being um, you know, a better, better for the church being, you know, a better employee and CEO when it doesn’t matter what it is, it could be running a marathon, right? That’s where fulfillment comes from. Moving towards a goal, moving towards that. That’s what we are missing so much of it these days. So anyways, I just want to bring that up cause I love that it’s the progressive realization of a worthy ideal. That’s success. It doesn’t have to be a monetary thing because everyone does have different versions of success. Right? I know, right? No BS, just sit on the beach and meditate all day with the happiest one fuckers in the world. Right. Just want to get deeper and I have tremendous respect for that.

Josh: 00:39:17 Yeah, I’m going to be, once we get into the philosophy religion side of this, this podcast, I’m going to come back to this whole topic of success, but what we’re gonna get back to that. Alright. Going way back to earlier in the conversation. The second question that I had for you, I’m not related to the education side of things of how you would structure it, but more on the side of, all right, let’s talk about the system and is the system really out to get people, because one of the things that, um, is a important differentiation factor that I think that we need to make the differentiation of is number one, a lot of people are out there that’s like the government is out to get you, the system is out to get you big businesses out to get you like big businesses, evil, big corporations.

Josh: 00:39:56 Capitalism is evil because they’re out to get you and they play a victim mentality. Right? On the flip side of that, there is truth to the fact at least I believe that big corporations, particularly financial institutions like the banks are screwing people over, particularly on subjects of student loans that you literally can’t file for bankruptcy on. And you know, loans that are, you know, in credit card interest rates of 20 30% like, are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. In certain instances. So it’s like what is the balance there and are people like, does the system really want you to be dumb? Like is there actual ill intent by the leaders of, and I’m going to say America just because that’s where we’re at, but do you believe that there is actual ill intent by the leaders of America to keep people dumb and uneducated in society or is that simply a byproduct of capitalism or you know, an UN unregulated or on morally based capital?

Nik: 00:40:52 I got you. Yeah man, I’m with you. I 100% what you’re saying. And this is where it gets really, really tricky, right? And this is where people can make the mistake. I would say, I mean as well, where we can lump entire things together and not understand that this entire group is just a subset of individual humans. Now, I do not believe that a majority of humans wake up in the morning and want to keep people down. And for anyone who is an educator or as a teacher and is taking your offense to what I’m saying, I do not think that you are intentionally harming other people. Most of them, most people. Right. I think I am of the belief that most humans, most people want to do nothing more than take care of their family, live a nice life, have a couple laughs, be able to, you know, buy some stuff.

Nik: 00:41:36 Right? And, and just be able to get by and not be in constant stress and panic. Right. So I don’t think that there is that many people. I don’t think that there’s a, I’m, most people are not just intentional and people do. I do. I kind of buy into some of the conspiracy that there’s a little group of elite who sees us as little mice running around. Yeah. I could see that shift because if you look at it from a big picture, it’s like, man, how are most people not seeing what’s going on here? Right? When you start seeing outside the matrix type stuff. And so I do think there’s some evil people at the very top in this world would make things happen, including in the banking system. The banking system is disgusting. It’s always the payday system. Fractional banking is one of the biggest scams in the history of the world.

Nik: 00:42:11 Doesn’t even make sense. Um, the payday loan system is, is gross. I’m the biggest believer in you have to take responsibility for what you sign up for. But I don’t know if you’ve seen the big stuff on what these payday loan companies do to these individuals and the way they hide stuff. It’s nasty. And the way that big institutions take advantage of 18 college kids, myself included with, um, [inaudible] loans that the interest begins the day you sign the loan, even though you’re not going to start paying on it for four years. So they intentionally misled me. I was under the impression, Oh, I don’t have to make payments until after I graduate. What I was failed to be told is every single day compounded interest for three or four years, my loan was just gonna fucking skyrocket. And I didn’t understand that at the time. Right. And I was kind of, I kind of knew a little bit about finances, a little more than I would say maybe the average person at the time.

Nik: 00:42:54 And so do I think there’s a lot of shady Anas there? Absolutely. I think there is diff, I think there is some issues that can happen with it. Um, but I think a lot of it, man, at the end of the day, it comes down to just a lack of people understanding what’s going on there. Not even oftentimes, we don’t even know that we’re causing other people harm, you know, and that’s where it can get scary. So to summarize what I’m saying, I don’t think most people in tech, nobody, very few people intentional wake up like, I’m going to hold this person down today. I’m going to bring this down. Right. And that’s what we have to be very careful of pointing at the system versus understanding individuals. Right. You hear it with racism and things like that all the time. Oh, I’m held by the system. It’s like, where, where are we heading down?

Nik: 00:43:29 Right. That’s Ben Shapiro and I don’t think it doesn’t happen. There’s racist people out there, but people don’t often wait. Most people don’t wake up everyday. Like, you know what, I’m going to hold down a minority today. Nobody does that. Right? Like, and it’s, it’s fascinating to, that’s a whole different topic. But [inaudible] obviously I’m [inaudible] very familiar with minority. She’s Iraqi and she is literally the first generation. So I see different sides of that thing. But anyways, I’ll let you go. I set it up that most people don’t hold it down. I do think that, and I do buy into, and I can talk a lot about a small group of elite people who want to keep certain things happening because their, their power structures can be, can be damaged.

Josh: 00:44:04 I actually want to talk about that a little bit. Right. Um, I love that you brought up the, the terminology of the matrix. Um, simply because I’ve done an episode on the podcast actually about how I believe that we’re living in a matrix type of thing. Now. I don’t actually believe that there is a, you know, we are in a video game or that there is, you know, that God’s up there like, yo, let’s see how fast you can get out of this and figure this whole thing out. Like I don’t believe in like that, but I absolutely believe that the overwhelming majority of, once again I’m going to go with America because that’s what I’m most educated on. Right. Um, and you know, I have not studied an overwhelming amount of foreign policies and things like that. Religion I have, but not so much policies.

Josh: 00:44:44 So, but I’m from America particularly like I do believe that an overwhelming majority of the American people are on educated on, uh, what’s actually happening at the very, very top. Right. So now I want to look at you [inaudible] I want to talk about this because I believe you and I are on the same page there. There’s these, this bunch of elites at the top. I have no idea how many people that is or whatever like, but there’s a group of people that are basically calling the shots up there and they’re basically their argument or the argument that you will hear from them is for the greater good, right? It’s like to keep order to keep a, you know, chaos from breaking out and as long as you go and you know, give people like the basic necessities as a general rule of what they need, you’re going to create, keep chaos in.

Josh: 00:45:28 I mean, you’re gonna keep chaos at rest and you’re going to create order in the, in the world. Right. And the argument for that would basically be like, if there was mass chaos, if everything were to fall, we would go backwards in time. We would go backwards and civilizations where there’ll be a tribal style communities, right? Where everybody would kinda just be fending on their own thing. And the reason that we are able to be so technologically advanced is because we are United or you know, led by a small group of people at the top that have a better understanding of everything as a whole than the average person. Right. And I think that, and I have to be very, very careful with my words here. I think that there is a [inaudible] logical when you break free from the average like person like you and I have, right?

Josh: 00:46:09 Like we see things, we see the world fundamentally different than I would venture to say like 98% of people in America, right? Like we fundamentally see a difference. So when you fundamentally see the world differently than someone else and you really truly believe that to be true, you would be like, no, I’m going to vote this way or I’m going to do this or I’m going to be supportive of this even though it might not make sense to you because if you actually saw what I saw and let me go ahead and educate you on it. But like if you actually understood it from this perspective, this makes sense. So I think that there is a case to be made, not necessarily by the elites at the top, but from that perspective to say, well, we don’t know what they know at the top. Do I agree that they’re screwing people over?

Josh: 00:46:46 Yes. Do I believe that they’re right? Absolutely not. Right? Like I don’t think that they’re good people by any stretch of the imagination. However, talk to me right now about society as a whole because America’s pretty jacked up right now, right? Like we’re, we’re pretty screwed, right? Especially politically, I’m a social justice warrior is whatever. However, there’s also never been a greater time to be alive, right? Like ever in the history of mankind. So is it, okay, two have some people, and this is a loaded question, I understand. So take it out and answer how you want. Um, is it okay to have some people calling the shots at the top that are in their own little bubble of elitism? As long as the collective good of humanity is getting better. Now granted, I understand that better is determined by them and not actually better, but like is there an argument for that? And if so, to what extent?

Nik: 00:47:37 So I would need to know more about what you mean by quote unquote better. Um, Oh, they can’t see us, but yeah. Better. Right? What does that actually mean? Um, from a fundamental, fundamental situ or, um, human hierarchy standpoint. Right? We hear a lot about the patriarchy and this kind of shit. Right? And I, a lot of what I’m about to say stems from studying Jordan Peterson and I love him. I’ve got to give you a shout out for humans. I do think need leadership. I think that there needs to be some sort of leadership to keep things in order. I don’t believe in anarchy. I don’t believe in anarchism that type of stuff. Right. I’m very libertarian with my ideas when it comes to things very much though as well.

Nik: 00:48:14 Yeah. I think that there needs to be some sort of agreed upon, um, agreed upon situation, how, how is built, how things need done, some sort of law and order to an extent. Right? And so I do think that we need leadership at the top. Now, does it need to be overbearing, independent, and create a system and a society of people who rely on that group of the talk in order to survive? Hell no. That’s where you fucked everything up. And it’s amazing. Like you hear this quotes, you hear all these great quotes all the time, right? And here’s one of my favorites. If you teach a man to fish, or if you feed a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man a fish, you feed him for a lifetime, right? Those old things, a really, really powerful thing about it.

Nik: 00:48:53 And right now we’re just feeding fish in a lot of ways and we’re not teaching people how to fish, how to rise things up, right? And then you’ve got this whole group of people saying, Oh, it’s impossible. You can’t do it, or it’s your, your unfair situation, blah, blah, blah. Right? That is dangerous, right? And we see it over and over again. We see it with the Democrat party in the left all the time. They, they hold their own down by keeping the boat and promising just enough on the carrot stick to bring them down and keep them going. And that what good is that done in the last seven years for anybody named me, they me a thriving, you know, Democrat, we can’t, right. And I’m going to look, there’s, I have issues to pick with conservatism as well. Um, and libertarian, I’m not, I don’t, I don’t even like to put myself in one or the other because it creates this like identity battle amongst everyone else.

Nik: 00:49:33 I have very liberal views on several things, right. I happen to be extremely against their views in regards to anything financially related and that type of stuff. Right. But on some of the social policies, yeah. I believe all drugs should be legal. I think some of that stuff, you know, I think that, I think there’s, there’s many, um, when we hold people down and we don’t allow people to learn and grow and become humans that can function in a world, it is detrimental to society. And we’re seeing that generation come into play because of the, the trophy generation. No one can take shit. Everyone’s a fucking cry, baby. Guess what? People are mean. Like, let it go. You’re gonna get your ass smacked in the world. Like, yeah, I wish people would be nicer, but you know. [inaudible] yeah. So anyways, that’s kind of my answer to that.

Josh: 00:50:14 Well, okay, but let me, let me dive into that and unpack that a little bit further. Um, there’s the guy, I don’t know why I can’t think of his name. He wrote the book called tribes. Um, uh, it’s a marketing book. Hold on, I’m pulling it up right now. Tribes a book. And anyway, in the book he talks about a Seth Godin. Seth Godin wrote the book about tribes and basically he’s like, Hey people, like you said, we need a leaders. People want you to lead them, right? Because people want to be able to feel connected, right? And in order for a, a, a tribe or a community to work, well, the leader needs to be able to talk to the people. The people need to be able to talk to the leader and the people that need to also be able to talk to each other, right?

Josh: 00:50:55 And so collectively like that’s what’s going to go and form a healthy community or a healthy tribe around you know, people, however big tribe or community that is. And so America, let’s assume there’s let’s say 300 million people, I know it’s not entirely accurate but like let’s say 300 million people in America, right? So let’s say our our tribe, our community is 300 million people. The leader of that would be the president and then the sub leaders would be like you know, all of the house of representatives and the, you know the Senate and all that. And then we need to be able to say talk to each other. But what’s happening in society today I believe is that we are taking away through social justice warriors and particularly through cancel culture, we are taking away the ability to have open discussions with one another. And we are literally saying, if you do not fundamentally agree with everything that I say and believe, then you are wrong and you do not deserve to be here.

Josh: 00:51:43 Right. And so I guess my question is to you and the kind of the topic of what you want to talk about, like, okay, like how high up, how big of the leaders and whatnot. I guess my question is we’ve never had a more populated society ever before in history, right? We have over 7 billion people on the planet. I don’t think it’s ever been big like a bigger population than that. Right? So on top of that, you also have never had the ability to universally connected with everybody in the world instantaneously at the tip of your fingers. Right? So you knew you now have more people than ever before, and you have more ability to connect with people than ever before. And what’s that causing is because there’s so much of it and because there’s so many people to connect with, we are losing the sense of tribe because we don’t know who to connect with.

Josh: 00:52:26 We don’t know who to talk to. Right? Endless opportunities. It’s like going through Netflix, right? You go there next, let’s you have all the movies in the world. You’re like, which one do I choose? Right? And so what’s happening is people are going and they’re saying, okay, I’m just gonna yell at anybody that disagrees with me until I find the people that agree with me on everything. And then you realize that nobody actually agrees on everything and we have this chaos. So my question is at what point is the head leader of whatever that tribe is powerful enough or big enough to where we need to start having like multiple tribes or multiple leaderships. So you have an America that’s divided into 50 States, right? And I feel like we started by saying, Hey, these 50 States, you guys are all responsible for your stuff. We’re all gonna collect a lead behind one goal of America. Right? But you all basically all 50 of you, you all do your own thing, right? So is that the model? Do we need to go back to smaller tribes of leadership, each dictating and deciding what they wanted to do on their own thing? Or is it possible to have one leader at the top that collectively dictate or leaders, I mean like leadership committee, whatever you want to call that, that can collectively dictate how 300 million people or 7 billion people think like is that possible or do we need to dictate that at a smaller level?

Nik: 00:53:38 Yeah, so great questions. Number one, I absolutely 100% think it’s possible. Do I think that it’s practical or it can happen anytime in the very near future without fundamental shifts in the way the media operates in the way people to each other and those types of things. Absolutely not. And the 0% chance, I am a much bigger believer and actually moving towards back when the States had the rights and if you don’t like what the state says, fucking move, right? Go somewhere else like that. That’s what it was born for. That’s what it’s there for. Like we shouldn’t have four coastal cities designed the entire country like that. And it was designed that way for a reason. Right. So I’m a big believer in that. I think what’s happening is incredibly dangerous in regards to not being able to have conversations and being able to, you know, and you’re instantly a racist if I, it’s a really sad world we live in. If you say, Oh, I like what the president did today or this week, you know, the economy’s doing good, my stocks are doing well, it’s like, Oh, you’re racist. It’s like you didn’t notice like, what are you that what we talking about? Like what do you mean it wasn’t even part of the conversation? Right. So I absolutely think that it’d be much more effective to split up. And one thing that’s always funny, right, because the left always uses certain arguments and again, I want to make it very clear. I have plenty of issues with conservatism.

Nik: 00:54:47 Um, and the left just happens to be significantly more dangerous in my opinion. Um,

Josh: 00:54:51 even Joe Rogan, who is a massive liberal would agree with you on that one.

Nik: 00:54:55 Yeah. And they just have to be very, very dangerous because they’re fascist. And it’s funny, it’s, it’s cracks me up to like no to no end when when they call Trump a fashionable anyways, that’s whatever discussion. Now it’s funny because they always used the, the Scandinavian countries, um, as the examples of like, that’s the Holy grail of taxes and healthcare and all this stuff. And I’m like, dude, Norway’s the size of Los Angeles. Like, do you realize that like it’s so much easier to collaborate that size of individual, right? I want a team of 15 people. It’s a bloody fucking miracle after we’re after operating teams and running employees and also if I love my team and all that, but like getting everyone on the same page when they’re sitting the same office as hard walking outside and having a functioning society should blow all of our fucking minds.

Nik: 00:55:34 Like it’s amazing this society functions as well as it does. Okay. And the can’t understand that until you actually have to run a team and you run a business and all these types of things. Right? And I don’t mean that against people. If you’re manager leader, it’s the same idea. You understand how difficult it is to get people to the same thing. So I’m in favor of less top power, much more power at the state level and even down to the community level and let the communities make the decisions because there’s something really, really, really, really, really critical and I really hope becomes a huge topic of discussion in the near future, um, to really help people’s anxiety and depression levels. And that is this lack of community. All the best books on happiness, all the best, the longest living individuals, the people who live the longest, the communities that have the top cabinets, they all have a sense of community, they know each other’s neighbors. And now we live in this world where we can reach out to everyone, but we’re not connected to anybody because we’re not talking to people.

Josh: 00:56:24 Can I, can I interject right there as a, a theory as to why I believe that is, let’s go. Okay. This goes back to the self confidence thing. Okay. So, and, and I am a very outgoing person that can get along with pretty much everybody, right? Like I am very outgoing, energetic, have no problem making friends and even myself when it comes time to actually building friendships with people and actually being part of a community, struggled for a long time and I still do struggle with feeling a sense of worth in a community of people that has to see me multiple times. Right? So like for example, if I, when I was part of a church and when I was growing up, right? Um, and, and I’m part of the church community. I just, I don’t like to go to church cause I travel now, but um, like when I was part of that church community, whenever I felt like every single day that I had to like prove that I was cool enough, proved that I was worthy enough, right?

Josh: 00:57:20 Like prove my worth to these people and I had a hard time really just feeling like I was accepted just for being me. Right. And so now we have it, I’m going to focus in specifically on Instagram, but it’s social media as a whole, right? We have social media as a whole, particularly Instagram, where every single day it is literally people waking up trying to basically prove how great their life is, right? And it’s like, here’s a highlight reel of everything in my life and how good it is going. Right? So you take that, and every single day, every person is logging in and seeing how amazingly great every single other person’s life is. So they instantaneously go and say, uh, can I? I like, okay, is my life that great? No, my life sucks compared to all these other people. So now when we tell them, go hang out with these people in real life, you automatically think, well, they’re all cooler than I am.

Josh: 00:58:10 And by the way, all of them are thinking your cooler than they are. And so everybody goes there and just kind of like, eh, I don’t really know. So they hang out with their cliques or they don’t go at all, which is why there’s this massive, massive lack of community. There’s massive lack of people, you know, hanging out. I mean, there’s even statistics that say like there’s tons of people having less sex than ever before because people aren’t actually interacting with people anymore. And so there are literally not even, and I’m not even, I’m not want to go down the religious aspect of having sex or not, but like, like what? Yeah, literally the, you can have and for all my religious friends don’t get mad at me. Like you can literally have sex at the click of a button basically nowadays, right? Like at any time of day or night, you can. And yet we’re having less of it because we’re afraid to actually go out and interact with people. So

Nik: 00:58:53 no, it’s, it’s amazing. And you know, it’s interesting. Um, I run a high ticket mastermind, right? It’s five figures to, to get in, you know, things like that. And one of the first things I tell everyone to do, get off of social media now. And so I know this is prevailing in the online marketing community specifically, right? Very big. And this is even prevailing among people who are seeing good, good amount of success, right? In order to put down five figures, multiply figures, you’ve got to have some, some cashflow right around. Right. And so the number one thing I tell people do stop looking at what everyone else is doing. They are all battling their own mind. And you know what I had on my recent round on, on every call I got on and I started talking about mindset and I started talking about, um, you know, how much of a struggle I recognize that it is.

Nik: 00:59:34 And so I tell him to turn it down. I can only imagine what’s going on for, you know, the high school kids, it’s going, they don’t understand cause they don’t have the clarity to be able to see that it’s a filtered version of life. And they’re the reason why so many people are putting up. If it’s not, look, I get it. There’s Instagram, people do stuff for money in, in leads and that type of stuff as part of your business and you’re motivating people. Cool. Awesome. I do some of that myself. Right? I do it on my, are they people? I put messages out. But the same time I also love people know, especially when it comes to business and everything that is hard. It’s not easy. There’s no push play button. You’re lazy. You need to step up and you need to um, you know, stop looking at other people for what you want because it’s all about that internal, you know, self confidence there and it’s a massive problem and he see it going so much bigger.

Nik: 01:00:18 I mean, the, the, the suicide rate is, is, is huge. I don’t know the stats off the top of my head, but for younger kids it’s, it’s, it’s way higher than it should be. And so much of it stems from what you’re saying, you know, this filtered versions of buyers and people don’t have the conscious cognitive understanding. That’s what it is because I fall victim to it and I know what’s going on. Like I have an idea. I mean, I’m trusting, I don’t know what’s going on in the cosmos in the world. I, that’s one of my big questions. I’m always trying to search for answers, right? But I have an idea of what’s happening to me and I still let it happen to me when I go through Instagram sometimes like, Oh, well why am I not making eight figures yet or why am I not doing this?

Nik: 01:00:51 And like, and like I said, it’s interesting, I never thought about it with like being nervous or showing up to meet individuals and I’m talking specifically about the online space, but because that’s where my world’s been for like four years. I caught everything else off. By the way. Quick side note, everybody, you are the average of the five people you hang out with and there’s nothing more powerful than that statement right there. You will become, you hang out with it. Sorry, I’d have to throw that in because as someone who has hung out with people doing not so great things and then good things. I love my friends from certain ages. When I was in Reno specific, I was hanging out with some bad crowds and you know, people in crack ass, whatever. Right? The ecstasy also. And then looking now and who the five people I’m around and what I see, it’s tremendous different. It’s osmosis at work. So anyway, that’s a whole side note. But yeah, man, everything you’ve touched on so freaking true and it’s, it’s just getting worse. It’s just getting worse.

Josh: 01:01:35 It’s, it’s, yeah, it is getting worse. I do want to talk on, and I kinda wanna segue, transition this into the topic of [inaudible], uh, classes in America or in the world or like, um, what’s the word I’m looking for? Like levels of society and levels of like, uh, wealth and success and different types of people, right? Because you look around the world, there’s 7 billion people in the world, right? There is without a doubt. There is [inaudible] separation like social separation, a as far as classes with wealth and with education and like things like that. Right? And um, there’s a, a topic that is interesting, this topic of world peace, right? Everyone’s like, yeah, like where I want to go solve world peace world peace is impossible. All right. And I will be the first person to say that until there is a second coming of Jesus, which I’m a pretty firm believer in the God in God, in God the Bible specifically.

Josh: 01:02:29 Um, but, and I believe that Christ is gonna come again. I believe he was gonna return to earth right until that happens. I fundamentally do not believe that world peace is possible because of humans and who we are. Like we thrive off of you drama and, and you know like discord and like things like that. And there will always be lazy people. There will always be rich people. There will always be the upper class. They’ll always be the lower class, right there arguably will always be in the middle class. But you know, there’s always going to be this great divide of people. So my question to you is, we say that money does not equal happiness. We say that success in a financial or literal sense of, of, of finances or status or things of that nature also does not bring success or does not bring happiness or fulfillment, right?

Josh: 01:03:11 Like those things do not determine success in the, the sense of the word that we’re talking about of living a fulfilled life and having success, right? So is the diversification of different classes, just something that we should accept and understand that there will always be and say that that’s not necessarily a bad thing because you can be rich and you can be formed and you can both be happy. And I, I believe that I believe you can be rich or, or poor and that you can be happy. Now that’s not to say that you should stay poor or that you need to stay poor. Like you can go get rich. But though there will always be the, the, the gap, is that an okay thing or should we fight to have everybody be equal?

Nik: 01:03:50 So that’s a fantastic question and it’s really interesting when you said that you believe world peace is impossible. I immediately went to the only way I view world peace being possible. And while it’s not along the same, um, it’s along a similar line of what you said. I am not religious. We’ve, we’ve had that discussion, but I’m extremely spiritual and in my opinion, once we understand that there is a consciousness, there is a source, a life force, God, if you will, if you want to call it that. Right? Um, that connects us all and that we all can tap into that and we can all raise above that. And once we understand that we treat our neighbors and we treat each other and we treat the animals and the earth and all these things as one and look for what’s best for it. That’s the only way.

Nik: 01:04:32 Cause we need to have a foundational belief as long as there’s more in religions, as long as there’s anarchists and agnostics and now the climate deniers, which is the new religion in my opinion, by the way. Um, and, and you know, all the Wars, they’ve the one religiously. Um, I don’t think it’s possible right now in regards to your question of is it okay if everyone is rich report again, all that matters to me is happiness, right? What makes you happy? Some of the happiest communities in the world. There’s great documentaries on Netflix. YouTube on this are the poorest communities because they have that sense of belonging and they have that sense of community. They, they can play, they can laugh, they don’t even understand some of the materialism, you know, gain the advertisers like me and you literally bring to America, advertisers are horrible, probably overall make good products.

Nik: 01:05:21 They same them, but overall advertisers do a lot of negative stuff because they’re the ones who forced us to post all these things. Right. So to answer your question, I think that it’s something worth moving towards, but I think the only way you can do that is if we all come together under one [inaudible] foundational type belief and for you mentioned, you know, Jesus and reincarnation. But I would, I would guess that what, what Jesus coming back represents and the type of lifestyle would be very similar to what I see in regards to, um, you know, the evolution of consciousness and raising up those conscious levels and um, you know, all that type of stuff. And that’s a really deep conversation we could go down. Cause that’s the next place we’re going is, is when I look at the, the major world religions and you look at the dominant potty, you know, if you look at the Bible and Jesus and even in Islam and in some of what is said there.

Nik: 01:06:12 Now there’s a nasty thing said in a lot of those things, the dominant part, it doesn’t have a whole lot, which is for those who missed. And that’s what the Buddha supposedly wrote. Regardless at the core, if you look deep into the messages, they all say very similar things. There’s a lot of very similar messaging that goes on inside of that. And so coming together under one foundational belief is, I don’t want to say it’s impossible, it’s impossible based on the way things are right now. But it is possible down the line. And I actually can see a world where everyone lives comfortably and everyone would.

Josh: 01:06:43 about that. But why would you not agree that there is literal evil in the world?

Nik: 01:06:50 Yes.

Josh: 01:06:51 So like what I’m saying is like you look at that, and I hate to use this, but for the sake of this conversation and the state that we are in America right now, I’m going to use this example once again, future people that are analyzing this podcast for political gains reasons. Please don’t take this out of context. I’m going to use the nation of Islam. I understand that Islam is supposedly a nation of [inaudible] or a religion of peace and all of that. But I wanna use specifically terrorism and ISIS and, and things of that. I’m not, I’m in no way categorizing all Muslims or Islamic people into one category. Here I am simply doing this and I’m sorry Nik, I have to do this because if I have to,

Nik: 01:07:28 well, same facts these days is, is brutal.

Josh: 01:07:32 But I, I watch Ben Shapiro doing it and I was like, that’s actually probably a really good thing for me to start doing right now considering the amount of content that I put out. Cause it’s 100% going to be taken out of context. So, but you look at people that are literally willing to strap bombs to themselves and they believe that the [inaudible] best and most high way to die, that you’re, I’m going to be blessed by [inaudible] Allah in the best possible way with what is it, 72 versions, right? Is to strap a bomb to myself and blow up Christians. Okay. Like that is fundamental evil in the world, right? Like I don’t care who they is that they were trying to blow up. That is fundamentally evil, right?

Nik: 01:08:10 Okay, so let me allow me to challenge a little bit. How are you going to keep growing that? Because I’m going to challenge this though. It’s evil to you, right? Your thoughts not to their thoughts and that’s where the, the knowledge gap comes into play. Remember earlier I said the income gap? Sure, it exists, but in my opinion it’s always a knowledge gap.

Josh: 01:08:28 But what I’m saying is is those are two, like my view is that life, no matter who you are, of all 7 billion people in the world, that life is sacred, right? Do I believe that it is okay to kill certain people in certain circumstances, AKA was I totally okay with the death of Hitler? Absolutely right. But I still believe at a fundamental core that life in and of itself is valuable and that you should not go simply blow up people for the sake of blowing up the people to go get 72 virgins in the next life. So what I’m saying is is that while one one may be true, when one may not be true, right? Like let’s assume that one is right and one is wrong. Okay? Like even if, let’s say they even, all right and I’m wrong. What I’m saying is is there cannot be world peace there because there’s always going to be people that are Christians or that are Americans that are like F those people. We’re going to go kill them so they don’t kill us first, right?

Nik: 01:09:22 And so they know a hundred I want a hundred percent agree with you. Just for anyone listening. I am 1000000% in agreement with you in regards to this being evil where it becomes interesting. Where I spend a lot of time trying to understand is how do you get to that point and how do you eradicate that and hundred percent you know, leading the, it’s the same thing. I try and I spend a lot of time trying to understand how the left and especially, you know, things that socialism and stuff like this is a good idea and obviously that’s, there’s a big, there’s a lot that can go into, and I’m not saying they’re all full blown socialists or whatever. Right. Does I agree with you? There’s massive amounts of evil and like we were saying before, unless there is a fundamental foundational, the belief that all life is sacred because I’m with you on the, I believe all life is sacred to the max. I fully, I believe too, to the point where I believe that we are all connected and that we’re all one and the more you better treat your breath, your your brothers and sisters and other people, the better off you’re going to be. And I’m sorry just for a second. And so two to get to your question, the only way we can get there is if we all come together and we agree foundationally that life is sacred no matter what you believe. And we just, and and honestly to me it’s just believe that life is sacred and we’re here to you know, support each other and build each other up and I don’t understand it. It blows me away how that message seems to get lost amongst religions and individuals and political parties as well.

Josh: 01:10:48 So, so let, I want to dive down that rabbit hole of light being sacred. I think we need to bring some context context to that first. So I’m going to ask you the question and then I’m going to ask you a follow up question to that and you can kind of lead down the road of that. I want to know why you believe that life is sacred and what makes life sacred as a general like in your belief system. And I want to do the follow up question there to say, I want to talk about your specific beliefs of source or God or you say that your spiritual and not religious. I would also say that I’m a pretty spiritual person. However, I do believe in God, the God of the Bible as of now, I believe that the Bible, while while it may not be 100% flawless in the English language, I do believe that it was at the very, very least when it was written, God inspired and the principles came from God himself. Right? So my question to you is where like what do you believe in when it comes to the spirituality aspect of things and this, this source, this whatever it is that you’re calling that, where are you basing that out of?

Nik: 01:11:49 Yeah, so that’s a fantastic question. And where I base it out of and I thought, so this is an Einstein quote, maybe there, maybe he didn’t say it, whatever. Either way, the concept’s the same. And that is this idea of the first thing that I need to decide and I would recommend people as to decide is do we live in a friendly or hostile universe? Number one, where do we, is it friendly or hostile? And then I tend to believe that we get what we look for in life. And you can prove that over and over and over again. And so when I say that life is sacred, that comes from me understanding that you know what? Nothing is either good or bad. Thinking makes it so and so. If I, if anything comes from the way my thoughts, right? Cause our thoughts determine our reality and we can go way deep down that rabbit hole. I’m totally down to talk about that as well. But our thoughts determine our reality. And so if I believe that life is safe and other humans are more sacred, then I believe that it’s going to be coming back to me because you get what you look for in life where focus goes, energy flows.

Josh: 01:12:42 Okay? But, but okay, so I wanna go back to the good, bad thing here. Now you say nothing is good and bad is simply what we make it out to be, right? Yup. So does not that singlehandedly then kind of eradicate or completely destroy your argument that that says like that humans are sacred or that the human life is sacred. And the reason I say that is because sacred, something being sacred or something being special has a, uh, an underlying belief or an underlying, yeah. Foundation that is based in something good. Right?

Nik: 01:13:16 Gotcha. Yeah, I did. I was misinterpreting the definition and the context of what you mean by sacred. What I mean by that is, is in friendly, loving, everyone died of that everything.

Josh: 01:13:25 But is love good or bad?

Nik: 01:13:28 So love is the, so love is good. Okay. So here’s the, okay, I get where you’re going with this,

Josh: 01:13:33 but like, you see what I’m saying? They’re like, because you’re saying like, I, so just for context of this, and I’m gonna let you go for as long as you want on this. I fundamentally believe that there is universal good and universal bad in the world and I believe that in order for there to be a fundamentally good thing, meaning like, Hey, if you kill someone that is a bad thing. I think we can universally agree at least [inaudible] [inaudible] terrorism case like killing someone is a good idea is a bad thing and that, you know, doing other things are a good thing. However, in order for there to be good and bad, there must be a moral law and in order for there to be a moral law, there be a moral law giver which would meet God. Right? So I don’t believe that good and bad or right and wrong in this case, right?

Josh: 01:14:17 Wrong, good, bad. I don’t believe that those are uh, based off of perspective. As a general rule, I do believe there is absolute truth, meaning absolute good, absolute bad, absolute right, absolute wrong. Because it, without that I don’t believe that we can be connected. I don’t believe that we can say that, Oh yes, something is sacred or that something is good, something is bad, something is right or something is wrong. Unless we can universally agree upon what that good or bad thing is. Because you can’t think that one thing is good and I can’t think that something is good and be like, Oh, that’s good. That’s good. Oh, that’s just a matter of perspective. Well, okay, but then if I think that it’s good to kill someone and you think that is bad to kill someone, does that make it fine for me to kill you? Right? So like I’m curious to know like where are you based? Those universal truths of good, bad, right, wrong, and at that nature.

Nik: 01:15:03 Oh, a hundred percent man. So here’s an important mistakes and this is what I believe. And it really, I mean, anyone listening this, this, it’s hard to, to argue with this. So here’s the thing, we’re simultaneously living in two worlds. We’re living in an external reality and an internal reality. We agree on that, right? So it’s [inaudible] and there’s two different worlds that we can ever say. We’re on the same one because there’s what happens out here, which is all neutral and there’s internal. How do we feel?

Josh: 01:15:29 And my definition real quick though, would you say internal is mindset or internal would be spiritual.

Nik: 01:15:35 I see them as is very similar, right? I think that the, the mindset can help dictate the spiritual. I guess I would need to know a little bit more about what you mean by that.

Josh: 01:15:41 Meaning like, so like in my, in my religion of, Oh, you know, in Christianity or whatever, like there, God talks about, Hey, there’s the world that you’re living in the, the, the physical realm of this world. And then there is the spiritual realm, which would be the, I mean I like to call it tripping on balls. I mean, or tripping balls, right? Like that, that world of like, of, of God, of spiritual or where the angels and the devil and God fight back and forth basically like the conscious happens, like all of that, right? It’s not so much just our mental state, but it’s our literal mental state or our spiritual state of after life or life outside of the world that we’re living in here.

Nik: 01:16:16 Gotcha. So I mean I, I see it as consciousness, right? I like to refer to as conscious. That’s all internal in its consciousness and it really was all happening up here. Okay. Now how good and add our States have and I believe in, you know, how we vibrate in it. I mean honestly if you just look at all we are is vibrations. Most of what we’ve got is literally like, it’s not even solid. It’s just vibrating at different levels, right? So things that make you vibrate positively and negatively, right? Love, joy. Happiness makes you feel good, you feel really great about it, right? And then you’ve got fear, no anger, jealousy, apathy, right? Things that gravitate towards the love, happiness and joy type of situation is what I would view as good. Now, fear, negative apathy, that type of stuff is where it’s the negative. And I believe in gravity and told us what those are.

Nik: 01:17:04 Now we can sit here and say, some people might feel good by killing other people. I don’t really think that’s necessarily where they’re coming from with it though. That’s not a sign of love. Love is the highest emotion. Once you feel it is the strongest emotion we can feel and is what I think that all humans want. At the end of the day, we’re just trying to feel love. We’re trying to love each other, love our kids, whatever. Right, and so that’s how I kind of defined good and bad because there is no gray area in there or I’m sorry, there’s no black and white line in this because again, external reality is neutral. We make sense. External reality, Oh, all that life is is us narrating what’s going on in the cold, dark world. Trying to make sense of it around us, right, and good and bad. It comes down to the vibration levels are you are, and you can track this, right? You can track love by seeing in your EKG. You can track how you feel. Stress, right? Stress, anger, those texting, that’s the negative. That’s the evil side of things. The positive is the love, the happiness, the joy. And my goal is to transcend those levels, right, of the negative, the anger, the apathy, because you can move up, right and get out of jealousy if you understand more about love and happiness, no sex, things that a little bit more clear in regards to answer your question.

Josh: 01:18:08 I, and I agree with you on those things, but I guess my question is, let me ask you this. Do you believe that there is absolutes in the universe?

Nik: 01:18:18 Good question. I believe that there are certain laws that we try and understand. I’m very, very, um, I’m very hesitant of getting into it absolutely on a lot of things because everything we think we understand has essentially been proven wrong and we still don’t. We’re, I mean, at the end of the day real, we’re talking monkeys on a fucking rock flying around a ball of fire and a universe we don’t understand. So I get a little worried about going into absolutes depending on your definition of absolute

Josh: 01:18:48 absolute meaning that it is absolutely true in every form of the statement. Like, like, Hmm. An absolute statement of there is a God that is an absolute statement. Right? So like what I’m saying is, is I believe that there are fundamental absolutes that are completely unchanging. No matter where you are, who you are, what you believe, where you’re located, how you were born, how you were raised, how old you are. Literally there are absolutes that apply equally to all people universally. I don’t think there’s a lot of them, but I absolutely believe that they are absolutely in the world.

Nik: 01:19:22 Sure. And, and I do too. And mine will be based on emotions, just so you know. My absolutes are emotion based because I think that everything about humans comes down to our emotions. Okay.

Josh: 01:19:31 [inaudible] and that’s cool. I just want to make sure that we do believe that in some format or another, there are an app, there is an absolute in the universe and for anyone that does not believe that in absolutes, they’re like, Oh, there is no such thing as absolutes. I would ask you, and, and I don’t mean this sarcastically, it sounds sarcastically, but like I, I really want you to think about the, this next statement. If you say there is no such thing as absolutes in the universe, my question to you is very simple. Is that an absolute statement?

Nik: 01:19:54 Yeah.

Josh: 01:19:55 You know, so like, just think about that and, and I, and I mean that very genuinely because as soon as that’s an absolute statement, then all of a sudden now you have absolutes that there. Yeah.

Nik: 01:20:03 And that’s a, exactly, that’s what I want to get context on it. Because when you start saying words like, right,

Nik: 01:20:09 you can go down rabbit holes on that.

Josh: 01:20:11 Right? No, and I understand that, but my question now and looping back around to the religious side of things, right? How do you like, what do you I call it God. Yup. Whatever it is up there. What do you call it? Source.

Nik: 01:20:24 Source. I mean, really just, yeah. Source life force universe.

Josh: 01:20:29 Do you believe that that universe, just for the sake of this conversation with, it’s called source. All right, let’s just call it tours. Um, do you believe that that source is intelligent in any format?

Nik: 01:20:41 Yes.

Josh: 01:20:42 Okay. Do you believe that that source has a, or if we accept it or or receive it or, or want to have it, do you believe that you personally can have a personal relationship with that source in the form of a literal like face or human individual,

Nik: 01:21:02 not human or I don’t, when I think of source, I absolutely do not picture a dude in the sky with a beard.

Josh: 01:21:10 Okay. So you, you don’t picture a God like human, human interpreted vigor vision.

Nik: 01:21:15 It more of a connection to a human emotion.

Josh: 01:21:17 Okay. How do you believe the source communicates? I would imagine because you believe in absolutes in some format or another. I, I would imagine that you believe in truth relative, even, even if even if that’s relative truth to you specifically, right? You would believe in truth that you should live by. How do you believe source communicates truth or the way you should live to you.

Nik: 01:21:45 by emotions, by how we feel, what emotions do we have? I truly believe that there’s primal emotions and there’s positive emotions. And the emotions that raise people up, raise our vibrations, make us feel good. Those are how it’s communicated to us. So, and this is me genuinely, I’m not trying to like destroy your argument here. I’m actually genuinely curious about this.

Josh: 01:22:05 Okay? So let’s go back to LA politics real quick. And Ben Shapiro, who we both love, right? Facts don’t care about your feelings, bro, right? So there’s a lot of, we’d like to make fun of our liberal friends, right? There’s a lot of social justice warriors out there that are, Hey, I feel I have the emotional feeling that I am, or that bill Gates is bad. Or I have the emotional feeling that I’m a girl, even though I’m a dude or I, I feel as though Donald Trump is a bad person. He makes me feel bad. That is a feeling. That is an emotion where we very much understand that facts do not care about emotions or do not care about feelings, right? Facts are facts that are literal facts, right? So when people are like, Donald Trump isn’t my president, well, you’re how you feel, right? Like, if you are an American citizen, Donald Trump is your president. Right? Like, so that’s like a fact. So my question is going back to this side of things of emotion and what would you saying of like religion. You’re sitting there and you’re like, Hey, I believe that the universe or source speaks to us through emotions. But I’m saying doesn’t that seem counterintuitive? And once again, I’m not trying to destroy your [inaudible] Jenny, we’re trying to learn like bring it on to you being like, well they speak to us the emotion and what makes us feel good. That’s what I should, we should be living 100%.

Nik: 01:23:20 Let me add more context. Every single thing that you just named was a negative garbage emotion and it confused emotion. And so if we’re talking about connecting, right, I think that the more negative you get, um, a great, you know, a great read as David Hawkins that transcending levels of conscious. Now, some of the stuff he says is, you know, where people can have their, their thoughts and, but regardless, there’s negative emotions positive and the more negative you are, the more disconnected you are from the source. More disconnected you are from other human beings. So even though they’ve got negativity, that means that this further disconnected from me. So that’s, I mean that’s still coming through, right? Because God, even if you’re even from the Christian version of you know, God in the Bible there’s negative, there’s evil, there’s nastiness, that type of stuff.

Nik: 01:24:00 Right? And so the negative sources and those negative emotions are us being disconnected and not aligned with the universe. And I’m yes on that stuff. And I sound like I know how to sound like fricking if you want to say that shit, relax and you surrender into the universe and you surrender into what’s going on and you’d go with the flow and you live in the present moment and you appreciate the beauty, you appreciate others, it’s going to get you further connected. Cause everything you just named is negative. And that’s not what I mean by connecting. And you don’t build a relationship like that. I think that’s the worst way to go at it. And I don’t think that has, is building a relationship with the source. Right? Even if you even want to call it that, because I, it’s tough to put certain language about.

Josh: 01:24:36 Right. And I understand. Yeah. Yeah.

Nik: 01:24:39 Does that make sense? Cause everything is those native. Right? And that’s a caught off and that’s means you’re not connecting with shit. I means that you are far away from, from, you know, you’re, you’re making life tough for you. You’re choosing to live in a, in a hostile universe by looking at everything negatively. Right? And so I again, I truly believe that the way we look at the world is what’s going to be reflected back to us. Right? So often our external reality is just a reflection of what’s been holding in our internal reality for long periods of time.

Josh: 01:25:06 So what about things that are, I’m going to use the language specifically here, but that are determined negatively and positively by different types of people. Right? And what I mean by that is, for example, if, if I were to say F right, the F word, and I don’t, I don’t swear, but like if I were to say that in front of a large majority of people that I know in the Christian realm or even the religious realm of any sort, they would gasp in horror. I remember when, um, I w I was having a conversation with one of my, uh, back when I was in summer camp and I said the word damn right? And he’s like, why would you say that? And I’m like, cause it’s just a word. He’s like, you are literally damning when you say damn it. He’s like, you are literally damning that chair to hell.

Josh: 01:25:55 Right? It’d be like, dammit, chair. But you’re literally damning that chair in a negative context. Any language that you use is therefore a negative. So when you’re like F that or F you or yeah, F that ass, right? Like you’re literally putting out a negative connotation into the, the air, into the universe, you know, into to this which a lot of people would have negative connotations with. Right? So for someone like you who uses language, which, and I have probably more friends, I use language than don’t for all of them, they’re not seeing that as a negative connotation. They don’t associate negativity when they swear they might use it in a negative format sometimes. But for some people language [inaudible] I’m talking like excessive, like strong vulgar language here is universally a negative thing to them. And when they hear that they’re instantly associate that with negativity where you’re like, well it could be negative, it could be positive. Right? So like how do you determine if something like that is a good vibration or I mean like, or a good feeling or a bad emotion or a good emotion about emotion. Like isn’t there some form of universal truth there or is it all based on how you use it?

Nik: 01:27:02 So I want to make sure I’m getting to the core of, of what you’re saying and we can talk a lot about language because I’ve had a lot of conversations with this even with my dad who’s, who’s here right now because he’s very Christian and very, very religious. And there’s a couple of things I want to say on this. Number one, in my opinion, when it comes to language, all that matters is the tonality and the emotion of what you’re utilized. And that language use things that come across negatively. You could, I can be saying the nicest thing or I could be using language that is no curse words or whatever. Whatever is defined as a curse word right now. Um, and it’s, it’s going to, you know, it can be detrimental to an individual or issue and it can be very abusive just by the way that I see it coming from that angry, negative place.

Nik: 01:27:43 Right? And if I say something, I’m like, man, what the fuck is up? Right? And I’m having been out in the laugh and somebody, and I would challenge someone, and I’m curious your thoughts on this. Actually if I said that and someone came at it and the other side interpreted, right, because again that’s their interpretation a hundred percent and they, and they looked at it like that’s negative. That’s terrible. I would wonder, well are they living in a negative or hostile or a hostile or friendly universe? Why are we interpreting this the wrong way? Or is the throat vibration a box or something? Is that really what’s the problem? Or is it the tonality of how things are said? Right? And then you’ll just have to look in the mirror. If you get that offended by a word or a what’s defined as a curse word, what was defined as a curse word when the Bible came out that the word didn’t even exist and we just assess, somebody decided at some point along the line that fuck was [inaudible] right.

Nik: 01:28:29 And Dana was occurring when, damn it goes a little bit further, Dan, maybe I can at least kind of understand cause there’s historical context to it, right? The fuck is a made up work. Right. And so I, as far as going to it, I would, again, I would ask the person to have to look in the mirror. Are they holding, what are they holding within? Did they see in, are so angry about, are they scared of their God? Right. Because the only reason why Google look at things the wrong way. And you can correct me if I’m wrong, right? But I, cause I, I guess I’m not going to pretend to be a biblical scholar here, but they’re worried that if they’re around language or if they see other people, those people can be damned to hell. And they were living in a state of fear because then that person’s going to go to hell or they’re cursing something, whatever it might be, you know?

Josh: 01:29:04 Yeah. So it’s not, it’s not so much of being, I mean like, yeah, obviously there’s a lot of Christians that would get hugely offended by, you know, that word and you know, things of that nature. But for a lot of, Oh, mature, it might be the wrong word, but for this context, more mature people that are religious in a sense. It’s not so like that, Oh my gosh, you’re a terrible person or that I’m offended because you said that word. It is that that word in the society that we live in is overwhelmingly accepted. I mean like we can pretty much say with a lot of certainty that that is a swear word though. Like that is a cuss word that has a negative connotation to it, right? Meaning that like you might use it in a positive connotation, but if I say F in on live television, Oh, everyone’s gonna be like, Whoa, that is a shocker because that is a like that is overwhelmingly associated with negative connotation, right?

Josh: 01:29:56 So you have that, you might be using it a positive connotation, but I’m looking at that and I’m going, okay, well, um, if you’re saying that, what kind of things are naturally gone? Cause like words have power, right? So if that word is overwhelmingly used in a negative connotation by society use, when we talk about sex use, when we talked about screwing people over, you got F Dover, he got F, you don’t have that. A lot of it’s negative. When you say that even in a positive way, you are bringing everything that’s associated with that word along with it. Right? So when I say the word Jesus to someone who has a super negative connotation of Jesus, everything that comes along with the word Jesus, if they think it’s all negative, they’re going to be like, I don’t like that at all. Right? If language has an overwhelming negative connotation to it, you’re bringing all of that negative energy with it every time that you use it. Right. And that’s why, I mean there’s multiple different ways to look at it, but I’m trying to explain it.

Nik: 01:30:56 I told her no, I think that that’s a, a matter of people holding on to things that don’t need to be held onto. I agree with you. There is, there can be a negative connotation. Now I want to flip this on the other side, right? Cause let’s talk language for a second. So similar to how, like you said, there are certain Christians who would be overly offended. I think the majority of them these days kind know. They might not curse themselves, but you know to function in society, you can’t have your ears bleed every time. It just doesn’t work. Now when it comes to words and getting offended by word, for lack of a better term because that’s kind of what it is, looking at it or judging people use by words. How do you feel about mis-gendering? Because that’s a very, very similar thing coming from a different, you know, concept, right? Because there are certain people who are going to get very offended by the specific word and be getting mad at it. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to compare the two because we start trying to police speech and saying, you have to call me a certain name. That’s, that’s different, right? We’ll talk about this negative conversation. Where’s, where’s the difference there? Right. Christians get offended by a word. Certain other people get offended by word. I’m pretty sure you’re probably like, well fuck it. Biological

Nik: 01:32:00 facts behind it. But at the end of the day, all we are is just telling ourselves a story about an environment that’s going on around us. So my theory is on everything, bro. Just, you know, just my theory is just let everything go. Be fucking happy as hell. Support everyone. Raise everybody up. Don’t get offended by anything. Don’t bring any negative. Anyone who knows me knows I haven’t been mad in over a decade. I haven’t been in a fight with anyone. I don’t do those things. That’s just kind of my philosophy for anyone.

Josh: 01:32:22 And I love that. But at the same time though, you have to like, you have to look at words as a whole in the, so there’s a verse in the Bible that says, let your speech be seasoned it with grace and um, that there should be no unwholesome word that comes out of your mouth right now. Don’t get me wrong, I used to cross like a sailor. I’ve used that bomb more than anybody a like they, during that time, like it was every other word at one point in my life. Right? So like I get it, but like at that time, the, the type of things, and I’m not trying to place this on you because I, I’ve met you, that you’re the most happy go lucky, awesome person ever. And as a mind, I’m pretty chill too, right? And I don’t use that word hardly ever. And you use it all the time, which, so it goes to show that it can be used in that context. But that doesn’t mean that, that like the, the way upon which that word, I guess I’ll have to go back and look at that specific word, but I’m talking about language as a whole. The definition of [inaudible] words as a whole have meaning.

Josh: 01:33:19 Right? So like if I were to be like the definition of explicit, right? Like it would be like having sexual intercourse with someone ruined or damaging something, right. And used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance comp, um, uh, or inpatients. So like the very definition of that word [inaudible] is all negative. It’s all negative, like Adam or sexual, sexual or negative. Right? So from the very definition, I like to look at the definition of things and I’m not trying to single out this word as a whole. I’m simply saying, okay. The very definition of strong language overwhelmingly with, I don’t know if any except abstractions. I’m sure there might be, but like overwhelmingly has either a sexual or a negative connotation to them. Right. If you look at, you know, you look at the word shit, right? That’s, that’s

Nik: 01:34:10 I completely agree, man. Know what I’m saying? It’s like the time curse words are used in anger, which again goes back to my, my, my, my, uh, my, my commonality here in regards to it all comes down to your emotional statement. So I agree with you. There’s negative ways and sometimes using the word curse word using, you know, that type of stuff, like that’s negative like that. And it can be really negative. It’s almost always used in a negative, bad emotion. Right. And so, so much, and I always, I keep circling back to this because this has been a big revelation over the last year. Everything in life comes down to our current emotional States. What state are we in and are we in a positive state of negative

Josh: 01:34:44 but, but that, but saying that though then says that words [inaudible] different to different people. Like you saying F and me saying F and someone that’s incredibly angry saying F you’re saying that it means three different things where what I’m arguing is saying that no, the word means what the word means, right? Like if you say it, you’re like, you’ve got to look at the actual factual definition of things because that’s how things work. And you’re saying we’ll come at it from a state of emotion of like what are the emotional frequency upon which you are. So what I’m trying to understand is if that’s what you believe. If you’re saying, okay, that emotion then determines whether or not something is right or wrong, positive or negative, then can you actually go and blame all the people that you disagree with? All of the social justice warriors, all the people that believe something that’s different than you, can you not go and say, well to them they’re right. They are correct. They are not doing anything wrong. If you are broke in a victim and social, it’s making you feel negative because your current state of negative frequency is that way. So they’re right in their own way. That’s, that’s true for them. That’s not true for me. Is that what you’re saying then? Or you know what I mean?

Nik: 01:35:59 So I, I w I want to circle back to where we’re trying to get to with this, right? Because we’re talking about a lot of things here and so what basically what I’m getting at, cause we’re talking in regards to to language, right? Right. In regards to definitions. And as much as I would love for definitions to stay the same, they are altered all the time. All we can do is like at the recent last couple of years, a lot of definitions have changed. Even some of them by the books. I do agree 100% we need to have some sort of agreed upon language in order to express certain things. Now less, I am less a rigid in regards to I’m certain,

Nik: 01:36:36 um, what’s the best way of putting this certain specific definitions as opposed or a technical definitions that Merriam Webster decided to put out versus agreed upon definitions between human to human right and how we can interact and how we get things across. Right. And again, I’m not proposing anarchy, I don’t believe in that type of stuff. I do believe that language matters. I think language is actually where the most important things there is. And I agree communication language lately negative. And really the reason why I think that negative negativity or language is incredibly important in self-talk specifically, but also how we communicate with people is because most individuals, myself included, don’t get me wrong. [inaudible] same here.

Nik: 01:37:13 Um, we meet, we hold on to baggage when it comes to certain words and certain things and it becomes very negative on it. And that can, you know, it doesn’t matter how you use it, right. I was having a conversation with my dad today about discipline and discipline can have a very negative connotation. So we always have any more discipline anymore. But guess what? We’re the first time you heard discipline was when you were like a five year old kid and you’re like getting in trouble. Right? So wouldn’t a better word to be used? Commitment. So I think we’re probably on a similar page when it comes to, you know, the, the words in verbiage, but what I would challenge people on who do get offended by words, what’s the difference again between someone getting offended by, by fuck, even though it says something definition because Lord knows the definition of whatever gender, personal pronouns probably going to change. Sure. Next year then are you going to say if, okay, if Marion Webster says this or says this, I can no longer disagree with that definition or looking at different our way

Josh: 01:38:04 no, be, because I would like the way that I determined definitions and I, and I, I looked at it as I look at facts. Once again, I try to take emotion out of almost everything and I go like, look at the definition of marriage. For example, people are like marriages, but you know, like marriage could be gay, married. Well, no, like literally, and we’d go down this rabbit hole but probably don’t have time. But like people are like gay marriage is a thing. I’m like, no, literally you don’t understand like gay man, it’s gay marriage isn’t it? It’s not even a thing. Like it doesn’t exist. And then people are like, how dare you say it? And I’m like, no, like literal. The definition of marriage is man and woman. Like, listen, if you want to go screw another dude, right? Religiously, I think that’s wrong. But I think you should be able to do it right. Like from a political standpoint, like do whatever the heck you want. Just don’t call it marriage. Right? Because I’m like, when I’m like, Hey, I’m going to drink water and it’s vodka, right? You can be like, no, I’m drinking water. It’s like, well no, it’s not water. It’s actually vodka. So don’t change it. And I’m saying so like from a definition standpoint, what I’m saying,

Nik: 01:38:57 John’s earlier bro, because I see what you’re saying and I actually, we, we tend to agree that people can do whatever they want in their own lives. I think the government should say out of everything completely stay out of it. 100%. Yeah. And, but yeah, marriage did start as a religious idea. Like that’s, it’s pretty hard to argue that, um, you know, whatever. But, and again, I’m very pro just very realistic. I am extremely pro do whatever you want your sex life, as long as it doesn’t involve [inaudible] and you people, whatever the hell they want, I don’t care about that type of stuff. Right. Right. And to draw problem is when you start forcing things on me, just so you know, we’re on the same page. I, the most dangerous slope you can go down is me forcing me being forced to call somebody by a specific pronoun or by their name. I’m not forced to call you Josh. I do not have, that’s an agreed upon social interaction here. We don’t have to call each other the same name, but I want to go back to, because your definition, we say facts. Facts is married from this. The facts are that fuck it. And by the definition it says one thing, right? Who’s to say that? Um, the facts of if the, if the definition of fuck change too happy and excited and elaborate and Merriam Webster changed it, then would you be okay with it?

Josh: 01:40:02 There’s a difference between, okay, [inaudible] go with that though. It’s like one definition, right? But just, I would not use the word that word if it meant happy and positive because the, the fundamental root of the word, like where it was formed was in a negative connotation. So what I’m saying is, is that if you go back to the ER, and maybe I need to look into the origin of that word, but when you go back to the origin of marriage, right? The very beginning of marriage, marriage was a biblical principle ordained by God. Okay. That is where it came from. Okay. So when you look at that and you go marriage specifically, and I’m going to get back to that, the, the, the F word here, just a second. Marriage specifically was ordained and created by God the definition, the original definition of marriage was between a man and a woman. That is [inaudible] original definition. Now if Marin Webster gums and says, Hey, marriage is now two individuals that love each other, I’m going to say, you know what, that might be the current society’s definition of marriage, but that is not the original meaning of that word upon which I believe to be true in the Bible.

Josh: 01:41:17 Now the case of the F bomb, now we’re talking about something that is a nonreligious topic, and we’re just talking about a, a casual word as a whole. What I’m going to say is I want to look at the original way upon which a word was formed. So if the original context of the F word was negative, then from here on out, I would never use that word because the original context upon which it was created was negative. However, if it started as positive and then I would use it, and then if it went to negative, I would not do it. But then if it went back to positive, then okay. So, so I, I agree with you and I don’t want to, the marriage thing is a whole nother conversation typically ordained and all that type of stuff. Right? And I don’t even say I necessarily agree or disagree on that one like that that I get. What would you say? Ass

Josh: 01:42:01 no, I mean, I mean I do say it but I don’t. Not on the right.

Nik: 01:42:09 It was a donkey. Right, and for those of you in the room to voting, I want to point out for the people listening who might be like, what are you guys talking about? This is actually one of the most important discussions one can have because again, it all goes down to what me and Josh Forti. We have to have a foundational principle of what we agree upon on certain ideals and what things are and we can’t just go around changing the definitions. So this is actually a really awesome conversation they asked. It was an annum. I just looked up. It’s an animal of the horse family.

Josh: 01:42:32 Yeah, but that goes back to what I said though, if it starts negative, I don’t use it. If it starts positive, fine, but as soon as it becomes negatively negative as accepted by society, negative, then I might not be, hold on, hold on. I might not believe the word is wrong. I don’t believe that saying the word ass is wrong, right. I’ve used the word ass before anywhere fuck is wrong. I do believe they were word 99% of the time that it is used. I have used it. I have used the term that that word and I have used it in what? In a, in a sense upon which I believe it is appropriate. Here’s when I believe and, and this is up for discussion, but when the F word is appropriate, when certain strong language is appropriate is when it’s appropriate, which means it is a strong language for a reason.

Josh: 01:43:25 So if I am truly, really trying to get my point across, I’ll use a perfect example. When I was young, right? My dad took me out to the barn one time because I was mouthing off to my mom and I didn’t match off of my mom once I mouth off to my mom for like six straight months. Right? And my dad pulls me out to the barn, dry comes on and says, listen, if you mouth off to your mother one more time, I’m going to beat the shit out of you. Right. And I was like, okay, Whoa. Right. Like component. Like what? And I knew at that point that that was really serious. Why? Because she didn’t use that type of language when he was talking about punishing me unless he was incredibly, incredibly serious. So do I think my dad was wrong or sending to use that language in that context?

Josh: 01:44:11 No. Right. If someone were to come to me and listen and, and I’m out of control, I’m, you know, whatever. I’m on stage. I’m yelling at someone about and they pulled me aside and they’re like, listen, you need to stop. You need to chill out. And I’d go right back on stage and I keep going. And then they pulled me aside again and they’re like, listen, Josh, you need to shut the up. Oh, right. Like you need to just go, I don’t think that they’re wrong in saying that because they need to like literally go and when I cannot with normal words, get my point across in a way that makes sense. When I need to use stronger language to further emphasize the point that I’m trying to make, I have no problem with strong language. However, it needs to be done in a one on one setting, in a very, in the setting to where it’s not going to be taken out of context. I couldn’t go up on stage and be like, y’all shut up up. Right. Because that could be taken out of context for so many people. If I have a problem with that, I can use that strong language in a setting where it’s not going to be taken out of context where it’s not gonna offend someone else. And when I’m emphasizing a specific point, just Pacific person, does it make sense?

Nik: 01:45:09 Sure. Yeah. No, I totally get it. I think that there’s, um, there’s a lot of conversation to be had there for sure because it’s languages. It’s interesting when you talk about language because it is so powerful. And I do think that is a really, really big thing. Um, I do find it interesting, you know, having these types of conversations. I appreciate Sharon and stuff because like I’ve always been kind of mind blown that, that, that there’s individuals who are offended by vocal tone tonality, especially when that vocal tone out positive, like a voice box. I didn’t pointed for my throat, what am I throwing? This comes out of voice box to me. What’s offensive? And you know, this being in sales, tonality is everything. So it all comes again so much from the bounding, the notional States and, and, um, you know, living positively and happy and all that type of stuff because I’ve just, I struggle to, um, just care what anyone says if it’s coming from a positive state. No, unfortunately there’s so much negativity that goes on that, you know, it can all be taken the wrong way you’re saying. And it’s an interesting conversation. No question about that, bro.

Josh: 01:46:08 I think, I think I want to end with this because we could talk about this forever. Um, I want to end this topic at least with this thought of, I think that discussion that needs to take place first, which we kind of already have discussed about it a little bit. Um, is the basis upon if there is absolute right, a universal right and wrong for everybody across the board. Because if you do not believe that there is universal right and wrong across the board for everyone, then all of the arguments upon what you’re saying of like tonality and emotion and things like that make total sense. But as soon as you go into fundamentally believe that there is universal truth for everyone, not like universal truth as a whole universal truth, like for every single human being that’s true for everybody across the board, then all of a sudden now it comes into, okay, who determines what that universal truth is?

Josh: 01:47:03 And what is that intelligent person who has now created that moral law of universal truth say about specific languages, specific words? And so I think that the discussion that needs to be had, which is totally for a different conversation, is I don’t believe in emotion. That emotion plays as much in what is right and wrong as you do, which is fine, right? I think we fundamentally maybe disagree on how much levels of emotion play into things where I believe that there is a, a universal set of truth that says, Hey, if you follow these guidelines, like this is absolute right and absolute wrong. It’s very small. There’s only a very few pieces of it, and then the rest of the Bible, the rest of what I believe basically says, if you want to live a great life, here’s the rule. Here’s the way to do that, right?

Josh: 01:47:50 Like I believe that in order to be saved and go to heaven, you need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is it. [inaudible] prequalification to get into heaven. I believe, and what we can talk about this more in another episode, we’ll have you back on 100% but like I believe fundamentally that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you believe that God is a real person, that Jesus came and died on the cross for your sins. Like if you fundamentally believe that you’re going to heaven, now you could be a jacked up person. But if you believe that, if you fundamentally believe that to be true, then you’re going to heaven. Because if you fundamentally believe that’s going to be true, then you’re gonna live in accordance with what that is. Now, you might not believe that the Bible is true. You might be like, well this is true or this is true. But if you believe that [inaudible]

Nik: 01:48:29 exactly experience definition of fundamental you right there because who determines that

Josh: 01:48:33 Jesus Christ.

Nik: 01:48:35 But it’s all based on emotional state. And once you go out and do right, and just to clarify, I want to make sure that you guys, anyone listening, I am not some mother fuckin SJW and elicit and [inaudible] excited when it comes to that. When I talk when emotional States, I do not believe that we govern or we dictate based on feelings the way Shapiro talks about it. Okay? Yes, we’re talking about is how we identify whether things are positive or negative based on how we feel internally. We all know when we’re feeling positive, where it happy and joy and love. We all know are negative. All negative States, that is lower levels of consciousness, negative, bad things happen in all the SJWs. All the people are crying and safe spaces. They are coming from negative places, which by negative events are happening in their lives are becoming negative because they’re looking at the world on it, right?

Nik: 01:49:19 So I’ll make it very clear that I don’t, I don’t think that just because someone feels bad, we need to cater to that. I, that’s the, I believe that can exact opposite what I want to make sure we’re, we’re under the standing up and he might even, if you disagree, disagree, I’ll make sure understanding of it. Right? That’s how you cannot determine right and wrong because it’s a very, very difficult thing to determine right from wrong. Because again, we can use something like nine 11 there, a group of people and across the world that celebrated that we were killed, crushed by it. How great. The same event, two completely different reactions to it right now I would argue that they’re coming from a place of negativity and they’re not actually feeling love and peace and connection on it, but they can still think that they’re being good and going for it because oftentimes success things that are good and still be coming from negative places, right.

Nik: 01:50:00 You know, desire and things like that. There’s a lot of negativity and I know you know that from the Bible and some of those things, there’s, this can be negative. I just wanted to hit on that now. I think that’s really quick. I know we’ve been going for days bro. But um, last thing I would say because you just talked, it brought up something that I do want to come back and talk about because I an X one. I want to pick your brain, um, a bit more and ask you some questions on this because this is fascinating me and I never get to have conversations with, with, I’ve always been looking for someone to have a religious conversation with who I can ask certain questions to get, sees things a little bit similar. Now my question is, when you talk about getting to heaven, all that type of stuff, what are your thoughts on the verse? The kingdom of heaven is with it.

Josh: 01:50:37 I believe that, Oh man, that is a long, how do I summarize this verse from the Bible?

Nik: 01:50:42 And I think it’s the one that you know, was actually said right there and that I believe that we can live in our own IP. And just so you’re nowhere, I couldn’t maybe to do a part two clearly. Um, I believe that we live in heaven or hell right here on this earth right now based on what’s going on upstairs and the story that we’re telling ourselves about the reality that’s going on around us, right? And I’m not going to get it. I don’t know enough to know about the cosmos and the universe. I ask questions and that’s what we’re here for. I don’t, I believe, I don’t know anything, which is also why I am, I’m hesitant to say absolutes or even though like you said, if there is no absolute, it’s an absolute fucking loop. So, and there’s another story but I want her thoughts on that because that is one of my favorite things and there’s a whole long conversation and I tend to come from, from a spiritual standpoint, that quote kind of says exactly where I come from. Everything that we want is insight and that’s how we connect with above. And it’s actually talks about that in the Bible. So

Josh: 01:51:32 I will, I will say this, um, I will need to look into the context of that verse more and we will definitely have you back on for part two. And, um, I will have a much better answer to that. Here’s what I would say in a two minute summary of that based on what I do know. Um, there’s this thing, and I know you know about this, there’s this thing called quantum physics, right? And quantum physics basically says that everything in the universe is connected because quantum physics is something we don’t understand. But for those people that are listening, let me dumb it down to you in one sentence. Okay? Quantum physics basically says that a subatomic particle, which are the things that make up atoms, right? Like the really tiny minute little things that we don’t understand that a subatomic particle can be both a physical state and a energy state at the exact same time, all right?

Josh: 01:52:18 That means that he can literally be energy energy all over the world and physical at the same time. So that means the table that you are at right now, the, the AirPods or whatever it is that you’re listening, you meet, we’re all connected. Everything is connected, right? So at the center of all of that, if everything is connected and we’re all connected universally, there needs to be something at the center of that. And I believe that the center of that is love. And I also believe that God is love. All right? So I believe that the center of the universe of the center of everything. Yeah, I know. I know. You’re going to be like, bro, we agree. We do. I know, I know. Hold on, hold on. Nik. [inaudible] vegetation here. Hold on, hold on. All right. I know, I know you’re going to say that.

Josh: 01:52:55 Okay. Listen, I believe that the center of everything is love and I believe that God is love, right? So I also believe that God via the Holy spirit is with inside of us. I believe that in the Trinity, I believe God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are three in one. God at the head, God the father, God the son, and God, the Holy spirit. God always is inside of us. So the kingdom of having to being inside of us, I believe that God is everything. God is everywhere. God is all knowing. God is all powerful. God’s in heaven. God is here on earth. Okay? So if God is inside of us and the kingdom of heaven is what’s inside of us, when we die are conscious mind or our consciousness, our soul is going to go onto what I believe to be heaven or the next life, whatever you want to call that, and I believe that that next life, heaven, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God is already inside of us because God is already inside of us and God got us at the center of everything.

Josh: 01:53:43 I will need to get you more context on that verse in the next conversation, but too clarify what I mean by that. Okay. God is at the center of everything. God is love. Love is at the center of everything and you’re like, yeah, we believe the same thing. There’s a fundamental difference between what you and I believe because well, what we said earlier and what I asked you, which is you do not believe, and once again, I’m not saying this is necessarily right or wrong, it’s just what I believe as of now based on what I know. You do not believe that the source love the center of everything is a, it’s something that we can have a personal relationship with that cares about us specifically individually, and I do. I believe that I can go,

Nik: 01:54:20 Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, well, I 100% and believe in that. What I don’t believe is it is a human figure,

Josh: 01:54:29 but what you said early on the podcast, and correct me if I’m wrong here, is that you do not believe that we can have a personal relationship with God or the stores.

Nik: 01:54:37 I definitely never said that. Oh wait, if I did, I completely would have not known. I talked about my connection with the universe and source all the time,

Josh: 01:54:44 but do you have a personal relationship with a loving figure? Well, I guess that the figure part is diverse. Loves you. If you love it, man, it all goes back to my desk. I love you. If you don’t love it,

Nik: 01:54:55 it’ll give you whatever you decide to give it to you. So that’s probably what we come in a little bit. I think that it would, but you’re not going to get what you want out of it, right? So I fully believe that you can bill your connection. I always talk about connecting with users. Everybody in my team, all this stuff, right? I’m fully connection with it. Well, without question, and you can build that connection and I work on building it, right? We might have different ways of going there. You might pray, you might go to church, I might meditate, it might do yoga, I might sit and breathe. I might sit and admire the trees in the water and the leaves and and appreciate the abundance of life and sit and share and just feel this connection with it all the way through. But 100% did I, I would’ve never said that. I don’t believe you can have a personal relationship with universities. I think that that relationship that you have, that that vision, the more that you trust the universe, the more that you trust what’s going on, the better your life is going to be on every single level, which at the end of the day, all we want is love. And I the route of quantum physics cause I could talk about that for days too. I was trying to keep [inaudible].

Josh: 01:55:45 All right guys, we’re going to literally have to do a part two of this a hundred percent and we’re going to talk 100% about religion and God and the universe and discuss Christianity and the God of the Bible verses source and other beings outside of a figurative character with a face and a beard up in the clouds.

Nik: 01:56:03 And just so you can know where we’re going to be coming from. What this, so for people’s in the part to where I draw the line, cause I agree with a lot of second Bible where I draw the line is the man versions of it and I draw a line with dogma and I draw the line with interpretations of it. And I have issues with some of the ways that people take the word misconstrue. I also draw the line at and not draw the line. I also would question, I can’t wait to talk to you about this. And in my, my viewpoint looking at it right when we started looking at having been in health specifically, it is bleeding the people. Bye. And you can show me if I’m wrong, where Jesus said this about having it hell specifically other than the kingdom of heaven, this within which it’s Luke 17 with your 20. By the way, if you want to know where it is. Um, my issue with it is you are fear-mongering by telling people that if you don’t believe what I say, you are going to go to hell. The amount of Christians that I know who believe that or is it, it’s through the roof. So I love to hear a different version of it and we could go on for days.

Josh: 01:57:00 All right. I’m gonna end it with this final thought on that specific thing. That is probably the single greatest thing that I have struggled with since the death of my brother, um, is the concept of heaven and hell and is the thing. So it is something that, believe me, I have struggled with as well. I am not an expert on it and I’m continuing to study it. I can’t wait to talk to you about it. Um, I’m not even gonna I want to say something so bad, but I just can’t because I know you and I and we will go down a rabbit hole that we don’t have time for or we’ve already been on here for like two hours. So, um, there will be a part two. We will specifically talk about God in the Bible and I would say that, um, for those of you that are listening right now, I would love for you to submit specific questions to both of us that I can provide to Nik as well.

Josh: 01:57:39 Um, and that we can kind of get more research and started up about this specifically because this is probably one of my favorite topics, if not my favorite topics is that the topic of religion and morality and good and evil and the God of the Bible and, and whatnot. And, and I’m very excited to, to do about this. So, um, okay, I’m going to end it there. But guys is the email address or hit me up on Instagram @JoshForti and you can send me a DM with your questions specifically around this and I am happy to, I’ll provide this to Nick. Nik, before we go into rapid fire questions and wrap up, I do have one more like quick thing that I do want to touch on just because I have you on here and I just, I have to ask you about it. All right. Donald Trump, I have to, I gotta ask you about this. All right. Um, first off, what do you think of Donald Trump?

Nik: 01:58:24 Honestly, I think that he is out there and he’s doing an amazing job and he’s calling out the media and a lot of evil institutions for what they are. Do I blow everything he does? Absolutely not. Do I think that he plays the marketing game and he, he pushes buttons that he knows is going to piss off a certain of people in order to win in order to continue to be able to call out other people for the greater good. Absolutely. Um, but at the end of the day, I, I am incredibly happy with it. How could you not be as we’re sitting here right now, um, unless the left tanks, the fucking stock market and cheats the election, what’s probably gonna haven’t visitors proof that they already been doing that for years. Right. Um, I am extremely busy, happy and sad to me that I can get like hated on him, punched in the face.

Nik: 01:59:08 Do I? He says no. Do I think that he’s a little, you know, reckless and does it, do I think that he says things that bring unite everyone the best? Absolutely not. But do I think he was anywhere near as divisive as Obama was, even though Obama was more common? Not even close. Obama started this whole freaking divide.

Josh: 01:59:23 when you draw it on that route too, but all right, well let’s not, hold on. Hold on. That’s not good. All right. What is your single greatest issue with Donald Trump?

Nik: 01:59:34 So that’s a good question. My single greatest issue. So I think that he [inaudible] it would come down to, and I see why he’s doing it from a marketing standpoint, I think that he could do a better job uniting us, including more people [inaudible] a little bit less attacking of other people come at. No, I understand why he does it. I don’t understand them. Um, in regards to how much she’s attacked and destroyed every single day. That would just be miserable and life would suck like, but that would probably be it. But again, for, for what he’s up against, I don’t think he has any other choice in order to, I agree. I don’t see a different route to him continuing to, um, govern and lead us and do what he’s been doing, which is nothing but tax cuts and uneployment rates low and you know, stock market’s raising through the roof and things getting done and calling out the media. Everyone, most P most people have understood it. The media is disgusting. For a long time. You and I are marketers, we know firsthand how gross media is. Most people don’t. They hear it, they see the median line, but they don’t get it. That the media is truly lying for impressions.

Josh: 02:00:36 Clicks, just read. Trust me, I’m lying by Ryan holiday and I’ll change.

Nik: 02:00:40 Amazing Ryan holiday. Literally attacks Trump in there. He’s actually, he’s not conservative in that book either, but that book is unbelievable. One of my all time favorite. Unbelievable for strep.

Josh: 02:00:50 Okay. Last question I have for you about from before we moved to rapid fire and we’ll wrap this up. Yup. Um, I have been known on social media to be pretty vocally supportive of Donald Trump there. There’s no question about that. I have literally gotten posts banned and taken down by Facebook because of it. So, um, however I always have to ask myself the question because I want to be fair and I want to really like, like not just blindly follow someone. I asked myself the question, I’m gonna start asking you, I’ve started asking guests this question. I understand that our choice right now is Donald Trump versus literally every single person on the democratic side is a complete lunatic outside of maybe Andrew Yang. But he’s not going to get elected. Okay. Like Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren are literally complete moronic that are

Josh: 02:01:40 just, I have no have no business being president of the United States. So yes, I understand that is Donald Trump versus them. And that out of those two options, [inaudible] people that think like you and I, the obvious answer is to vote for Donald Trump. Right? However, if that wasn’t the case, do you believe that Donald Trump is the best option for president for the next four years? And here’s why. I asked this question for a little bit of context. I look at it four years ago, you could have asked me a question. You just got to said, Josh, who would you pick to be the president of the United States? You could literally hand select anyone and Donald Trump would have been one of my top picks based solely on the fact that she did not give a crap and that I don’t believe anybody else would’ve had the balls to turn the economy around and to turn so many things around that needed to be done.

Josh: 02:02:30 Because I literally believe that Obama and the things that I’m not completely bashing Obama, there’s some things that I liked that he did, but as a general rule, I think it was not great for the country. Right. Uh, I believe Obama was basically taking our ship and running and into an iceberg and the only person that was going to come in there and turn stuff around and get us back to at least the rough direction of where we needed to be with Donald Trump. However, four years have gone by now and I’ve gone, all right, I’ve got four years of Trump under my dollar, three years, there’s going to be for the next election. Do I need another four years of Donald Trump or is there a better option that would more aligned with my values based on the current situation of America right now that would be better as president.

Nik: 02:03:08 Oof. So based on the current situation, so moral animals evaluate, yes. He’d come up with somebody now based on the current state of the situation in the present, the ways that the media is ran based on the way Congress is running based on the way that people are losing their fricking minds everywhere on the left and socialism and all this stuff. Off the top of my head I don’t think there is and it’s all because of what you said and this is where you know what I was getting to when I asked him. He liked him. He is not afraid to call people out. He’s not afraid to say what so many people had been thinking at the highest level. Most people aren’t even, there’s even talk braking Dem Republicans, Paul Ryan, these knuckleheads like they’re not calling people out there just to SWAT. I, I, I tend to agree with that.

Nik: 02:03:47 There is a lot of nastiness. There is nothing. I am trying to think now if there’s anyone else, but for the values, yes, I could definitely find someone who would probably be more aligned with my values, but the only one from what they need, man, I, it’s tough because he’s the only one talking them. I don’t know how he does what he does. Think about how miserable that would be. A 71 years old just getting attacked. Your, your family’s attacked, your kids are attacked, your wife’s detect for no reason. TDS is a very real thing. Um, it’s insanity. You know, the fact that we can be having a conversation saying we’re positive and we can be looked upon as being racist mongers. I’m like, yeah, I’m real racist. Like it’s just, it’s, it’s insanity. Right. You know, my, my girlfriend’s from Iraq, like literally, it’s just like, what are you talking about?

Josh: 02:04:29 But anyways, but again, if you say that, and I was like, Oh, that’s just something white people say. It’s like, okay, so what the fuck do you want for? Right. You know, like, what do you, what do you want from yo? I have, I black. Okay. So I don’t have black, what do you, what do you want? Like a, anyways, we could go down the hall, man. We’ve got a whole pockets and that too. So I don’t think so man. It’s always got to have the nuts. I couldn’t do, I couldn’t do it either. You know, WIC do what he does.

Josh: 02:04:49 Do you know Trey Gowdy? Yeah. He would be the only person I think that I might pick over Trump only because Trey Trey does have the balls and try like

Nik: 02:04:59 who is the homie? Is that, who’s the eyepatch guy from Congress? That is my favorite.

Josh: 02:05:04 Um, no, that’s not Trey. No, no. I know it’s not true, but who’s the dude with the iPad is a, is a, is a bad ass. I’d have um, Dan, Dan, uh, Dan something Kirkpatrick or something.

Nik: 02:05:19 Um, Dan Crenshaw. There you go. Yup. Yeah. Dan Crenshaw. I like a lot of what you says. Again, I need to look closer. I’m right now in a lot of ways I’ve removed myself from a lot of politics recently just cause it can be so negative and all that. I keep an eye on. What’s going on. Um, but, uh, I do, I do like what Crenshaw said.

Josh: 02:05:37 All right, well that’s enough politics here. We’ll have to touch on that in another episode too. We’ve already gone over two hours, so I want to wrap it up and go to rapid fire questions here, but I literally am already excited for a round two of this. This is going to be super.

Nik: 02:05:49 Aw man. I can’t wait. I’ve never been able to talk to somebody who comes from, because I do think there’s a lot of foundational connections where we come from in regards to questioning life and I cannot wait to get into the specifics of it because I’ve been looking to have a conversation like this specifically about Bob for a long time

Josh: 02:06:05 and it’s going to be so much fun. Then we’ll have to swap questions beforehand so we can get educated and all that jazz. So, okay. Um, rapid fire questions. Basically, uh, we’ve, we’ve gone through, we’ve done the interview now. It’s just a couple of fun questions. And then I asked Scott one question to kind of a, that we asked every single person on the podcast to kind of wrap it up. But before I do that, uh, guys, this has been like Nik Robbins. He’s absolutely amazing. As you can see, Nik, where can people find out more about you? Feel free to pitch anything here or like where can people go to follow you, consume more of your content, learn more about what you do.

Nik: 02:06:34 Yeah, man. So I’m Facebook friends, all that good stuff. Um, Instagram is definitely the best place to connect me right now at Nik D Robbins. That’s N I. K. D. R O. B. B. I. N. S. again N. I. K. there’s no C in there and I K D Robbins RBB ins. That’s the best place I’ve got a free Facebook group. I’m even talk about business, but I teach people exactly how to sell close deals, bring people in. It’s called seven figure Crusader nation with a case. So those are the two best places to connect. And Abby on Facebook. I’m very, I love having conversations and talk with people. Very open to give back and share if you are aspiring business owner or if you’re wanting to just chat.

Josh: 02:07:11 Amazing. We will guys, we’ll link all of those links, a Facebook, Facebook group and Instagram down below in the description of this podcast. So make sure to check him out. Seriously. Like Nik is just the person that you want to know. He’s absolutely killing it and I, he’s going to do big things I already has. So, okay. Nik, rapid fire questions. Number one. Uh, you fly a lot. What’s your favorite airline?

Nik: 02:07:31 Delta.

Josh: 02:07:31 Delta for sure. I love Delta. Um, there you’re

Josh: 02:07:36 a guy, so I’m guessing you probably into sports cars. Do you have a dream sports car?

Nik: 02:07:41 Uh, yeah. He’s going to sound that a, what do you call it? Whatever. I’m black. Mad black. Lambo. Huracan is downstairs on my, on my, uh,

Josh: 02:07:50 yeah, the, the poster boy internet marketer right there.

Nik: 02:07:53 100%. My man, I don’t even care. I want it. They won’t, I’m not a huge car guy. Really? I drove it fricking BMWi three booter for a long time, but I want that just as a symbol. It has nothing to do with being cool or anything. It’s a symbol of I made it and I can achieve my goals

Josh: 02:08:07 100%. Dude. My, my dream car is a literally a Huracan spider convertible. Um, I, I’m not going to go matte black. They’re so sick, but like, I dunno man. I’m a really flashy person. I’m thinking I’m going to go like either burnt orange, like Thai or bright red or blue, like something douchey for sure.

Nik: 02:08:28 Well, if I was going to go second, but mine would be yellow for sure. I actually like yellow and black with black, black wheels, black rooms, things like that. That would be the second one that come to mind.

Josh: 02:08:35 All right. Well when we have it, we’ll have to race around and have some fun together. Um, okay. A bucket list item that you want to do in your life that you have not yet done.

Nik: 02:08:43 You know, um, that’s funny. I’m planning on doing it next year, but I want to go on a worldwide religion to her and go study the great religions and goes to some of the world’s oldest cathedrals. Go to Jerusalem, go study Judaism, and then make my way around to the far East and go study. I’ve already been to some of the big Buddhist temples in Thailand, but I want to go to some of them, China and some of those other areas and India especially and do a religion tour and really go study and meet some of the great religious teachers and just learn more. I’m, I’m obsessed with the topic because it has, you know, fundamental

Josh: 02:09:17 Holy shit humans. And I really love looking at it and seeing what I can learn from. Cause there’s a lot of good that can be learned from those religions. Um, at the end of the day, it’s also, you know, why every war of pretty much of all time has ever been created as well. So all the love and good and the Wars have come from it. So, and it’s created the massive influence. I’m obsessed with influence and, and selling. And neuroscience and so I need to study the things that have lasted thousands of years. Right. It got one about that. I feel like I feel like we should take that trip together. Maybe we can get like three or four cool people and we can all just go hang out for a year. Let’s do it going around the world. Let’s do it. FRL for real though. Seriously. Um, all right. If you ever had the ability to go to space, would you go to space?

Nik: 02:09:58 Absolutely. All right. That’s well depends as long as Musker as long as it wasn’t government rant. If it was as long as it was bays offs or Elan mess, then I would trust it then. Yeah. But if the government built it probably

Josh: 02:10:10 right. Cause the government sucks cause like I really leave it to the private market and the free market. I love it. I love it. Okay. Um, last question I have for you. This is a question we ask every single person that comes on the podcast. Um, I don’t tell you what it is in advance cause I just want to know your, a free flowing thoughts on it. Although I think our head is kind of in this space based on everything that we’ve talked about. I want you to go and fast forward to the end of your life. You’re on your death bed, all your success, all your fame, everybody that knows you, it’s all gone. Nobody knows who you are. However, every single person that you have influenced or touched either directly or indirectly, is there’s a lot of people for you. Um, you get to leave them with one final message, thought, word of wisdom. What would that message to them be?

Nik: 02:10:50 Happiness comes from within. Study personal development and open the book, and learn how your mind operates and how it works. If you want to get what you want out of your life, it all starts inside.

Josh: 02:11:00 Amazing. Nik Robbins. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, man. This has been an absolute blast. I cannot wait for round two. I really appreciate your time.

Nik: 02:11:08 You got it, my man. It’s been… it’s been amazing dude, and I cannot wait until these next questions. Guys, make sure you ask a lot of questions. I love this. This is going to be fun. It’s gonna be absolutely awesome.

Josh: 02:11:16 Guys, this has been The Think Different Theory with Josh Forti and Nik Robbins. As always, hustle, hustle, God bless. Do not be afraid to think different, because those of us that think different are going to be the ones that change the world. That is what we do. That’s what we do as free thinkers. We think different, we do it different, and we get things that nobody else can, because well, we’re different. I love you all and I will see you on the next episode. Take it easy fam. Peace.

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